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Marcus Fakana gets prison sentence in Dubai.

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Ohnonotmeagain · 11/12/2024 13:56

This is the 18 year old lad who had a holiday romance with a 17 year old girl in Dubai. She was just short of 18.

her parents found out and reported him to the Dubai authorities before he returned home.

his poor parents aren’t well off and had to return home to work leaving him there.

he’s now been sentenced to 1 year in prison.

aibu to think this poor boy should never have been brought before court.

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Goldenbear · 30/12/2024 17:23

EmmaMaria · 30/12/2024 16:49

What do you expect them to do? Go to war over it?

As for the young man, I doubt this will really have a hugely negative impact on his future. Even with a marked DBS, it is up to employers to determine whether the conviction is a barrier to employment, and given the publicity, I doubt very much anyone will care at all. If he wants to get a visa somewhere, the same applies - he might have to jump through an extra hoop, but few people are going to care about this conviction. The facts are so publically available now that I think just about everybody will be "on his side".

If he's sensible and plays his cards right, then this young man can cash in enough on it to ensure that he never has to take out a student loan and possibly even a little to get a start out on a chosen career path. He seems to have a head on his shoulders, and I suspect he will be well advised, so he could easily turn this to his own advantage. It's maybe not what he would have wished for, but when life gives you lemons...

Easy for you to say EmmaMarie isn't it, so blasé about someone else's liberty, a teenage boy at that.

Sorshpans · 30/12/2024 17:31

Goldenbear · 30/12/2024 17:22

Oh sorry the EmmaMaria poster.

I prefer the first one “Enemy poster” 😂

OonaStubbs · 30/12/2024 17:34

He committed a crime under Dubai law. We wouldn't expect tourists from other countries to get away with committing crimes here due to it being legal in their home country. He's got a year. It's not that long in the grand scheme of things. He just needs to keep his head down, do his time, and then come back to the UK and get on with the rest of his life.

StepAwayFromMyCoffee · 30/12/2024 17:35

I feel so sorry for him, poor chap ♥️ It’s part of the reason I’m terrified to go to these sorts of countries in case I unwittingly break a law and end up locked up for years.

fashionqueen0123 · 30/12/2024 18:04

Slooodie359 · 30/12/2024 16:53

The girls mum contacted the British High Comission in Dubai to report the crime against her child … they are the ones that took action with Dubai authorities.

It’s got British government all over it already!!!

Why on earth did they take it further!

fashionqueen0123 · 30/12/2024 18:06

StepAwayFromMyCoffee · 30/12/2024 17:35

I feel so sorry for him, poor chap ♥️ It’s part of the reason I’m terrified to go to these sorts of countries in case I unwittingly break a law and end up locked up for years.

I’ve just read an article on Detained in Dubai, about how you can be held or arrested for things you’ve done before going there. One man was held until the charity lawyers helped him out, for sending emojis they didn’t like to a business in Dubai. While in another country!!

There is not a chance Id go there.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 30/12/2024 18:10

The government can lobby the Dubai government fur leniency.

They do it on behalf of many other prisoners/convicted.

This is a highly publicised case, the defendant is a young person, there is a lot of public sympathy, so yes, I would expect some diplomacy efforts.

OonaStubbs · 30/12/2024 18:13

I would imagine they'll let him out after a few months.

Goldenbear · 30/12/2024 18:23

Sorshpans · 30/12/2024 17:31

I prefer the first one “Enemy poster” 😂

Oops😬

Goldenbear · 30/12/2024 18:28

OonaStubbs · 30/12/2024 17:34

He committed a crime under Dubai law. We wouldn't expect tourists from other countries to get away with committing crimes here due to it being legal in their home country. He's got a year. It's not that long in the grand scheme of things. He just needs to keep his head down, do his time, and then come back to the UK and get on with the rest of his life.

People around the world question laws all the time as this is someone's life you are discussing, their real life, their existence and their incarceration, it is not just a news article to them.

Slooodie359 · 30/12/2024 18:37

fashionqueen0123 · 30/12/2024 18:04

Why on earth did they take it further!

100% guess … Brit high commission didn’t know that he was British.
Guessing his profile etc that gurl saw was not his full name, girl maybe didn’t know it. His SM maybe had a spoof surname & home ….

Girl not telling her mum 100% truth, or she did not know 100% facts about MF.

When was last time teenagers in trouble told 100% truth to adults (excepting Young Sheldon, of course)

fashionqueen0123 · 30/12/2024 18:44

Slooodie359 · 30/12/2024 18:37

100% guess … Brit high commission didn’t know that he was British.
Guessing his profile etc that gurl saw was not his full name, girl maybe didn’t know it. His SM maybe had a spoof surname & home ….

Girl not telling her mum 100% truth, or she did not know 100% facts about MF.

When was last time teenagers in trouble told 100% truth to adults (excepting Young Sheldon, of course)

Good point. God imagine being almost 18 and your mum phoning up around the world about your sex life. Mortifying. Why did she even tell her.

GivingitToGod · 30/12/2024 18:48

My heart bleeds for him and his family.
Hoping and praying for it to be over soon

icelolly12 · 30/12/2024 19:20

EmmaMaria · 30/12/2024 16:49

What do you expect them to do? Go to war over it?

As for the young man, I doubt this will really have a hugely negative impact on his future. Even with a marked DBS, it is up to employers to determine whether the conviction is a barrier to employment, and given the publicity, I doubt very much anyone will care at all. If he wants to get a visa somewhere, the same applies - he might have to jump through an extra hoop, but few people are going to care about this conviction. The facts are so publically available now that I think just about everybody will be "on his side".

If he's sensible and plays his cards right, then this young man can cash in enough on it to ensure that he never has to take out a student loan and possibly even a little to get a start out on a chosen career path. He seems to have a head on his shoulders, and I suspect he will be well advised, so he could easily turn this to his own advantage. It's maybe not what he would have wished for, but when life gives you lemons...

I think a DBS only shows crimes committed in the UK so it won't even show on a DBS unless I'm mistaken?

Ohnonotmeagain · 30/12/2024 19:43

icelolly12 · 30/12/2024 19:20

I think a DBS only shows crimes committed in the UK so it won't even show on a DBS unless I'm mistaken?

I believe that’s the case.

however he will have to account for his year spend in Dubai, and most employers will do the basics of plugging his name into google.

it’s not “up to the employer” in many cases. No school, employer in a profession involving vulnerable people etc will let someone with a sex offending conviction through the door, the risk is too big.

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Slooodie359 · 30/12/2024 20:38

Landing cards / entry-visa for many countries ask about convictions,

ILoveAnnaQuay · 31/12/2024 09:30

@fashionqueen0123 I read somewhere the mum found out because she looked through her daughters phone and found texts between them

ILoveAnnaQuay · 31/12/2024 09:38

I'm very torn on this one. Part of me thinks we all have a responsibility to adhere to the laws of the countries we visit, so have to expect the consequences

The other part of me thinks that the authorities in Dubai should have treated this with leniency. A fine, a warning or even a suspended sentence if such a thing exists there. I feel desperately sorry for that poor boy.

And the girls mother is a bitch. She is beyond contempt

Inmydreams88 · 31/12/2024 10:19

Obviously if you are visiting another country I believe you should follow their laws, but this seems a rather odd thing for their authorities to prosecute since neither of them were actually from the UAE or a resident there. I wouldn’t think it would be a good look for them to do this to a tourist, then again any country that is ruled by Sharia law isn’t a country I’d want to visit anyway.

fairydustt · 31/12/2024 10:23

TickingAlongNicely · 11/12/2024 14:04

On one hand, it seems ridiculous.

On the other hand... if a foreigner had committed a crime against a woman in the UK, that wasn't a crime in their home country, there would be outcry if he was just deported.

So we can't have it both ways.

Sorry to break this to you but we deport foreign national criminals all the time, it’s actually a government priority to do so. The Home Secretary has a legal obligation to deport foreign nationals sentenced to a year or more in prison (with some exceptions such as if they’re refugees)

Sorshpans · 31/12/2024 11:47

Does anyone know if under 18s who engage in sex in Dubai are guilty of a crime as well? Or is it just the 18+ person who gets charged?

I’m wondering if the 17 year old girl had still been in Dubai would she have been held responsible for anything?

Also it might appear that Britain normally do more because the Detained in Dubai organisation who have a lot of experience with these cases had strong words for the government. I wonder if they’ve said similar about the government response to other cases?

Marcus Fakana, of Tottenham, “feels abandoned by the British government and Keir Starmer”, Detained in Dubai said.
Radha Stirling, the group’s chief executive, said the sentence was an “utter disgrace” and “an embarrassment to Britain”, adding that “the UK has prioritised trade deals over people’s lives

NeverDropYourMooncup · 31/12/2024 11:52

Sorshpans · 31/12/2024 11:47

Does anyone know if under 18s who engage in sex in Dubai are guilty of a crime as well? Or is it just the 18+ person who gets charged?

I’m wondering if the 17 year old girl had still been in Dubai would she have been held responsible for anything?

Also it might appear that Britain normally do more because the Detained in Dubai organisation who have a lot of experience with these cases had strong words for the government. I wonder if they’ve said similar about the government response to other cases?

Marcus Fakana, of Tottenham, “feels abandoned by the British government and Keir Starmer”, Detained in Dubai said.
Radha Stirling, the group’s chief executive, said the sentence was an “utter disgrace” and “an embarrassment to Britain”, adding that “the UK has prioritised trade deals over people’s lives

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Nope, they're the victim of a crime.

Jaxhog · 31/12/2024 11:53

I feel hugely sorry for him, but he has broken the law in that country and has to pay the consequences. We wouldn't want a tourist to our country to think the law doesn't apply to them, would we?

EmmaMaria · 31/12/2024 11:53

Goldenbear · 30/12/2024 17:20

My goodness, what compassion you have.

There are many laws as round the world that are morally repugnant and many people question the humanity of them and rightly so what don't you understand about that!

Having an age of consent is morally repugnant? Don't be ridiculous. The UK has such laws. The fact that another country sets the age differently than we do is irrelevant. In Dubai it is 18. 18 is far from unusal, and is shared by many countries. It has bugger all to do with compassion and everything to do with the fact that we expect "foreigners" to abide by our laws and so it is to be expected that we have to abide by the laws of the country we visit. There are more than enough threads about young men in boats being criminals and dangers, without even the decency of a trial or evidence to prove that as a fact. So it seems that as ususal MN is two-faced - we can say and do what we like about people not from our country, but we expect special treatement abroad for the British.

Jaxhog · 31/12/2024 11:56

fairydustt · 31/12/2024 10:23

Sorry to break this to you but we deport foreign national criminals all the time, it’s actually a government priority to do so. The Home Secretary has a legal obligation to deport foreign nationals sentenced to a year or more in prison (with some exceptions such as if they’re refugees)

Occasionally, yes. But our prisons are full of foreign nationals who committed crimes here, so your argument doesn't wash. I don't recall hearing that their countries are asking for them to be returned either.