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Marcus Fakana gets prison sentence in Dubai.

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Ohnonotmeagain · 11/12/2024 13:56

This is the 18 year old lad who had a holiday romance with a 17 year old girl in Dubai. She was just short of 18.

her parents found out and reported him to the Dubai authorities before he returned home.

his poor parents aren’t well off and had to return home to work leaving him there.

he’s now been sentenced to 1 year in prison.

aibu to think this poor boy should never have been brought before court.

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runningpram · 14/12/2024 12:30

I sadly suspect race is an issue here. If it had been a white teen I doubt anything would have happened.

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 12:53

It's a year in prison. It's not the end of the world. Yes Dubai has harsh laws. Hopefully this news story will make more people aware of them.

deeahgwitch · 14/12/2024 13:22

It's a year in prison. It's not the end of the world....."

Will it have implications for future travel to other countries- the US for example.

Goldenbear · 14/12/2024 13:25

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 12:53

It's a year in prison. It's not the end of the world. Yes Dubai has harsh laws. Hopefully this news story will make more people aware of them.

Where's your compassion.

Sorshpans · 14/12/2024 13:32

deeahgwitch · 14/12/2024 13:22

It's a year in prison. It's not the end of the world....."

Will it have implications for future travel to other countries- the US for example.

“It's a year in prison. It's not the end of the world....."
Will it have implications for future travel to other countries- the US for example

I suspect so. His best hope is really
to receive a “pardon” which I believe has been done in other cases in Dubai. I think that would wipe the conviction and cut short the sentence depending on when they pardon him.

I read another case recently of a man who is or was detained for writing negative reviews about his former UAE employer on Google. He made the mistake of going back there on holiday and was arrested. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd0ggyvd86o.amp

He apparently hasn’t been jailed but he isn’t allowed to leave the country yet. It’s all just bonkers. If my friend does still go out to work there as she plans, I’ve told her not to expect a visit from me!

Craig Ballentine looking into a computer camera during a BBC video interview.  He has short, fair hair and a moustache and is wearing a black polo shirt.

NI man arrested in Dubai 'over negative online review' - BBC News

Craig Ballentine could be facing jail in the UAE for criticising his former boss in a Google review.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd0ggyvd86o.amp

Dweetfidilove · 14/12/2024 13:40

It's amazing how many 'it's the law' people are on this thread. The same people you see berating Middle Eastern countries for other draconian laws ☹️.

I hope the mother chokes on the tongue she used to report that poor young man.

DreamW3aver · 14/12/2024 13:42

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 12:53

It's a year in prison. It's not the end of the world. Yes Dubai has harsh laws. Hopefully this news story will make more people aware of them.

Have you read about the conditions in the prison? I can't believe anyone would think a day there isnt the end of the world never mind a year, are you being serious?

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 13:48

Prison isn't supposed to be nice. He broke the law of the land he was in. A year is not a long time in someone's lifetime. Hopefully he learns something from the experience.

DreamW3aver · 14/12/2024 13:52

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 13:48

Prison isn't supposed to be nice. He broke the law of the land he was in. A year is not a long time in someone's lifetime. Hopefully he learns something from the experience.

If course it's not, no one's suggesting that but equally it shouldn't be a hell on earth. I can't see how his life won't be ruined, what do you think he might learn that he doesn't already know

whathaveiforgotten · 14/12/2024 13:57

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 13:48

Prison isn't supposed to be nice. He broke the law of the land he was in. A year is not a long time in someone's lifetime. Hopefully he learns something from the experience.

There's 'not nice' and then there is the prison he will be going to.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/marcus-fake a-alawir-prison-dubai-b2664027.html

Read that article, it is horrifying and hopefully after you read about the place you'll understand that a year locked up there could absolutely destroy someone, let alone an 18 year old with little life experience who recently finished school.

And that's without factoring in the racism towards black people from Dubai authorities and many civilians.

I cannot imagine the utter terror this young man is experiencing.

This isn't 'not nice', it is far far beyond that.

whathaveiforgotten · 14/12/2024 13:57

My link didn't work @OonaStubbs here is the correct one:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/marcus-fakana-alawir-prison-dubai-b2664027.html

Saschka · 14/12/2024 13:59

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 13:48

Prison isn't supposed to be nice. He broke the law of the land he was in. A year is not a long time in someone's lifetime. Hopefully he learns something from the experience.

Don’t date girls with vicious racist parents?

Saschka · 14/12/2024 14:02

whathaveiforgotten · 14/12/2024 13:57

Oh @OonaStubbs I’ve discovered the lesson he is meant to be learning:

His sister Davena Kumar told the Ilford Recorder how her brother was separated from his friends and forced to watch other inmates be sexually assaulted.
“He’s sharing a cell with someone who’s been sentenced for life,” she told the paper. “They’ve made him watch other men being raped, like it’s a lesson.’

Ilford man ‘forced to watch rapes’ in Dubai prison after police torture, sister claims

The Ilford man imprisoned in Dubai on drugs charges has been separated from his friends and forced to watch other inmates be raped, his devastated…

https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/local-council/21211535.ilford-man-forced-watch-rapes-dubai-prison-police-torture-sister-claims/

Birdscratch · 14/12/2024 14:05

It's amazing how many 'it's the law' people are on this thread. The same people you see berating Middle Eastern countries for other draconian laws ☹️.

The point is that Dubai is in a Middle Eastern country with draconian laws. Yes, it’s appalling. Yes, it’s a repressive and brutal regime. People ignore all that to go on holiday there.

If you choose to holiday in a country where homosexuality is illegal, where they arrest women reporting rapes for ‘extramarital sex’, where those arrested are often tortured and there is no rule of law you are taking a huge risk. Of course it’s a ridiculous sentence and the prison conditions will be inhumane. Of course the young man doesn’t deserve this. Instead of blaming the girl’s mother though why not blame the country for having those laws. In most countries the mother being a flaming arsehole wouldn’t lead to an 18 year old being sentenced to a year in jail.

It’s not a safe place to visit. It’s not a safe place to be a woman. It’s a brutal, repressive regime with shiny hotels and shopping malls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HumanrightsintheUnitedArabEmirates#Forceddisappearancesandtorture

Human rights in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates#Forced_disappearances_and_torture

Threeandahalf · 14/12/2024 14:06

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 13:48

Prison isn't supposed to be nice. He broke the law of the land he was in. A year is not a long time in someone's lifetime. Hopefully he learns something from the experience.

He's 18 and he had sex! Good grief is that a lesson you'd want your own son to learn?

Sinkintotheswamp · 14/12/2024 14:07

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 13:48

Prison isn't supposed to be nice. He broke the law of the land he was in. A year is not a long time in someone's lifetime. Hopefully he learns something from the experience.

It's a prison in Dubai. Not a Duke of Edinburgh hike ffs.

DreamW3aver · 14/12/2024 14:08

Saschka · 14/12/2024 14:02

Oh @OonaStubbs I’ve discovered the lesson he is meant to be learning:

His sister Davena Kumar told the Ilford Recorder how her brother was separated from his friends and forced to watch other inmates be sexually assaulted.
“He’s sharing a cell with someone who’s been sentenced for life,” she told the paper. “They’ve made him watch other men being raped, like it’s a lesson.’

Don't worry,he has a whole year to learn it, I'm sure @OonaStubbs will see that a fair punishment

Slooodie359 · 14/12/2024 14:20

Ohnonotmeagain · 12/12/2024 15:06

What about hers? Where did they think she was off to without them?

did the mum know about it before they left and wait until they were back in the uk to report it? As even if the girl was not guilty of a crime I’m sure there would have been interviews, possibly medical examinations, delays to their return home etc.

apparently it is illegal to have unmarried sex in Dubai, although it’s not usually prosecuted unless one partner is under 14, unless I’ve misgoogled.

so I suspect they’ve waited to ensure only he falls foul of Dubai law.

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I’m curious about the evidence presented by the girls family. IIRC, it was phone communications … texts? Photos?

There must be messaging confirming what took place, otherwise there would be no evidence at all.

Obviously know nothing about degree of evidence required in Dubai for this type of conviction - but thinking there is more to this story than we are being told.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2024 14:53

Tiswa · 14/12/2024 10:50

And intervention in this case would make sense - how much will this put people off visiting - the negative press over what was in essence a teenage romance - is going to potentially hit it hard with a huge tourist sector put off going

Unfortunately vacuous SM influencers will still flock there whether on a freebie or for the bragging rights.Sad

TriesNotToBeCynical · 14/12/2024 15:16

Slooodie359 · 14/12/2024 14:20

I’m curious about the evidence presented by the girls family. IIRC, it was phone communications … texts? Photos?

There must be messaging confirming what took place, otherwise there would be no evidence at all.

Obviously know nothing about degree of evidence required in Dubai for this type of conviction - but thinking there is more to this story than we are being told.

I expect the usual evidence is confession obtained by torture.

Moonlightstars · 14/12/2024 15:22

MiraculousLadybug · 11/12/2024 14:00

I'm sorry but when you travel abroad you should know the really big obvious cultural differences that are well-documented. Age of consent and when sex is legal are the first things you should check before travelling and having sex. It's very well known that extramarital sex or premarital sex is forbidden in UAE. For another example, if he'd done it in the US he could have been prosecuted for statutory rape. Her parents were twats though.

I'm sure you knew everything when you were 18 🙄

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 15:50

If an 18 year old man from Iraq came to Britain and had sex with a 9 year old girl, would that be OK because it is legal in the country he comes from and he shouldn't be expected to be aware of local laws?

Ohnonotmeagain · 14/12/2024 15:54

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 15:50

If an 18 year old man from Iraq came to Britain and had sex with a 9 year old girl, would that be OK because it is legal in the country he comes from and he shouldn't be expected to be aware of local laws?

Oh come on, that’s nowhere near the same thing.

if a 16 year old lad from Iraq came to the uk and had a consensual holiday romance with a not quite 16 year old also from Iraq (or anywhere tbh) then no, I wouldn’t expect a prosecution, even if it is technically a crime here.

from what I can gather the prosecution in Dubai managed to get the offence escalated from a misdemeanour into something much more serious.

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Mercurial123 · 14/12/2024 15:58

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 15:50

If an 18 year old man from Iraq came to Britain and had sex with a 9 year old girl, would that be OK because it is legal in the country he comes from and he shouldn't be expected to be aware of local laws?

Your comparison is ridiculous.

whathaveiforgotten · 14/12/2024 16:02

OonaStubbs · 14/12/2024 15:50

If an 18 year old man from Iraq came to Britain and had sex with a 9 year old girl, would that be OK because it is legal in the country he comes from and he shouldn't be expected to be aware of local laws?

The comparison is someone just over the age of consent having sex with someone a couple of months under the age of consent.

So the equivalent would be a 16 year old from Iraq having sex with a 15 and a half year old girl in the UK where the age of consent is 16.

Comparing what happened in this specific case in Dubai with an adult of 18 abusing a pre pubescent girl makes you sound ridiculous.

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