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Marcus Fakana gets prison sentence in Dubai.

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Ohnonotmeagain · 11/12/2024 13:56

This is the 18 year old lad who had a holiday romance with a 17 year old girl in Dubai. She was just short of 18.

her parents found out and reported him to the Dubai authorities before he returned home.

his poor parents aren’t well off and had to return home to work leaving him there.

he’s now been sentenced to 1 year in prison.

aibu to think this poor boy should never have been brought before court.

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DowntonFlabbie · 12/12/2024 16:03

prh47bridge · 12/12/2024 15:57

The USA does not have a universal age of consent. It varies by state. There are 4 states where the age of consent is 18 regardless of the age difference. I am not saying he would be prosecuted in those states as I don't know enough about how the authorities approach this, but the law in these states would allow him to be prosecuted in this situation.

None of them would or could prosecute an 18 year old for sex with an almost 18 year old.

Jk987 · 12/12/2024 16:08

Mirrorxxx · 11/12/2024 14:11

He broke the law. I don’t see what the outrage is for

You don't expect other people to know what went on in your hotel bedroom let alone be reported for it.

prh47bridge · 12/12/2024 16:14

DowntonFlabbie · 12/12/2024 16:03

None of them would or could prosecute an 18 year old for sex with an almost 18 year old.

I don't know whether they would, but the four states in question clearly could as that is the law in those states. The age of consent is 18 and there is no exception where ages are close.

JHound · 12/12/2024 16:15

beAsensible1 · 12/12/2024 14:09

This is the main problem. A young girl sneaking around to be with your son in DUBAI of all places?

where is the discernment from his parents.

Why discernment from his parents when they are two teens of a similar age? Both on the cusp of adulthood?

Why are his parents being blamed for her choice?

AgentJohnson · 12/12/2024 16:21

More fool his family for not doing the proper research and buying into the endless SM bs about Dubai. If you want to point the finger than look no further than his family.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 12/12/2024 16:23

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/12/2024 16:00

I don't know, but like the naming of the mum and daughter I believe this came from Twitter - and Twitter really isn't a reputable source of information, which is worth remembering in case it starts driving reprisals

I don’t do twitter or anything. Just the news and MN for me. I saw it on an image when I googled.

I suspected it was inflammatory. Just wondering if anyones seen anything official in the news. I haven’t

Nosyguest · 12/12/2024 16:24

LoveIsLikeAFartIfYouHaveToPushItsUsuallyShit · 11/12/2024 14:16

Bloody hell. The hate for UAE is so sttong that people argue that getting nicked after having sex with under age of consent person is wrong

because they were 18 and 17. So no one thinks he’s some kind of paedo

Comtesse · 12/12/2024 16:26

Don’t go on holiday to Dubai I guess. I went once for work, it felt safe sure but so many legal pitfalls.

Remember when the guy was sentenced to 4 years because there was a speck of cannabis stuck to the bottom of his shoe? Something smaller than a grain of sugar sent him to prison (they did let him out early but still….). That could happen to anyone.

The kid has been very unlucky - I find it bizarre that Dubai is seen as a fun tourist destination.

Sorshpans · 12/12/2024 16:30

Remember when the guy was sentenced to 4 years because there was a speck of cannabis stuck to the bottom of his shoe? Something smaller than a grain of sugar sent him to prison (they did let him out early but still….). That could happen to anyone

See this is what grinds my gear. You get all kinds of sex trafficking and abuse of migrant workers but then they act all sanctimonious and apply the law randomly and punitively when stuff like this happens.

And yes that could happen to anyone. I’ve never taken drugs in my life, and I don’t even smoke or drink but these things can happen to anyone ! I was coming from back to London from abroad once as a teen and someone stuck a tiny sachet of white powder in my suitcase.

To this day I don’t know who it was or exactly where/why it happened but I’m just thankfully it wasn’t detected in the airport . I showed it to my more “experienced” friends who said it was drugs. It was such a small amount but I suspect in Dubai they’d have come down hard on me unless I’m related to some kind of royalty /super rich.

BootballJoy · 12/12/2024 16:34

GoBackToTheStart · 11/12/2024 14:49

Imagine if some foreign teenager had sex with a British child of 15. Do you really think the British authorities, let alone the Press, would just let them off?

The girl is from London. It's more like a 15 year old and 16 year old from a country where the age of consent is 15 coming to Britain for a holiday and having sex.

And in neither scenario would the British authorities or Press be remotely interested.

OonaStubbs · 12/12/2024 16:45

He is lucky to only get a year. When you travel to foreign countries you have to respect their laws and customs.

Daddydog · 12/12/2024 17:25

Comtesse · 12/12/2024 16:26

Don’t go on holiday to Dubai I guess. I went once for work, it felt safe sure but so many legal pitfalls.

Remember when the guy was sentenced to 4 years because there was a speck of cannabis stuck to the bottom of his shoe? Something smaller than a grain of sugar sent him to prison (they did let him out early but still….). That could happen to anyone.

The kid has been very unlucky - I find it bizarre that Dubai is seen as a fun tourist destination.

My wife worked with that guy. He didn't show up for work one day and no one knew why. Turned out he was passing through the airport, swabbed him and they found a tiny crumb of weed within the tread of his shoe. He had been to a party the night before and had trodden in it. They threw the book at him. You can get arrested for carrying ibuprofen like the US navy vet who in September faces 3 years for having ibuprofen and prescription CBD oil in his luggage for a degenerative joint disease.

Janiie · 12/12/2024 17:36

Anyone going to Dubai on holiday must tell their travel companions that under the veneer of western extravagance it is basically an unpleasant, strict country and it's archaic laws reflect that. It isn't Magaluf where anything goes.

Feel sorry for this boy but someone should've told him yes the malls and hotels are all lovely but always, always be on your best behaviour.

Goldenbear · 12/12/2024 18:04

Daddydog · 12/12/2024 17:25

My wife worked with that guy. He didn't show up for work one day and no one knew why. Turned out he was passing through the airport, swabbed him and they found a tiny crumb of weed within the tread of his shoe. He had been to a party the night before and had trodden in it. They threw the book at him. You can get arrested for carrying ibuprofen like the US navy vet who in September faces 3 years for having ibuprofen and prescription CBD oil in his luggage for a degenerative joint disease.

What 😧!

Goldenbear · 12/12/2024 18:09

Grammarnut · 12/12/2024 09:23

Yes, there is. Someone on here said it was the people trafficking in Dubai that upset her, rather than the prostitutes themselves, because they were forced. But economic need is as much a state of being forced as any other. I don't think many MNters would recommend a career as a prostitute. It is what it is - not saying what it is gives a veneer of acceptability. Prostitution is misogynistic, it is about selling bits of your body for someone else to use. It demeans all women and treats women as things, as does the pornography industry. Call it what it is.
Don't gloss over it.

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That still doesn't change the fact that everyone knows what prostitution involves, we don't need vulgar references to, 'holes'!

WilfredsPies · 12/12/2024 18:25

I feel so sorry for him and his family. Yes, they were insane for going to a country where you can be detained and imprisoned for looking sideways at the wrong person, but he’s eighteen. Have a look at your own eighteen year olds; would you trust any of them to research laws and local customs and culture before going off on holiday with their mates? Eighteen year olds aren’t known for their forward planning, research and critical thinking skills. And even if he’d known it was against the law, it would be a very unusual teenager who would have stopped in case he ended up in prison.

The girl’s mother should be ashamed of herself. If he’d hurt her daughter, then fair enough, throw the book at him. But to risk his safety for something completely consensual and legal in the country she lived in was a wicked thing to do.

bombastix · 12/12/2024 18:29

You can feel sorry for him - but he is an adult and he broke the law in another country. Dubai is a repressive place, not a playground where you can do everything you can in the UK but pay no tax.

Slooodie359 · 12/12/2024 19:59

I question the parents or young man’s choice to use media and racism to try to influence the Dubai legal system.

Dubai was never going to allow him to be acquitted or not guilty. He was likely always going to get 6 mos to a year. I base this on my familiarity with another young man( a “white” boy & very similar circumstance. His name is not public, and think it’s lucky for him. )

Marcus’ name & face is out there forever … the little schoolboy photo …. It will be difficult to put this in the past. Employers might just choose to not hire.

IMO - making him a public figure for breaking law in another country, no matter how different law is from UK, was a mistake. Dubai was never going to make an exception for him, to set a precedent. The current law was made in 2022, Dubai clearly made careful considerations for this recently changed law, were not going to make an exception.

Xenia · 12/12/2024 20:03

I went away with one of my sons last month and I had to tell him all kinds of things like it is illegal to wear camouflage trousers or jacket there. It can be complicated going abroad.

Some laws in the Uk are unfair too - we are not perfect here but I certainly agree with people on this thread who are basically say you you CAN have objective morally and legally better laws than some other countries do and it is not all relative. English law is better than a bunch of other places abroad including Dubai

Sorshpans · 12/12/2024 20:10

Slooodie359 · 12/12/2024 19:59

I question the parents or young man’s choice to use media and racism to try to influence the Dubai legal system.

Dubai was never going to allow him to be acquitted or not guilty. He was likely always going to get 6 mos to a year. I base this on my familiarity with another young man( a “white” boy & very similar circumstance. His name is not public, and think it’s lucky for him. )

Marcus’ name & face is out there forever … the little schoolboy photo …. It will be difficult to put this in the past. Employers might just choose to not hire.

IMO - making him a public figure for breaking law in another country, no matter how different law is from UK, was a mistake. Dubai was never going to make an exception for him, to set a precedent. The current law was made in 2022, Dubai clearly made careful considerations for this recently changed law, were not going to make an exception.

I question the parents or young man’s choice to use media and racism to try to influence the Dubai legal system.

Many people use the media in these situations and in some cases there had been a “positive” outcome - although I can’t say for sure if it was directly related to the media , government intervention or something else.

I don’t know if they mentioned racism but it is being discussed online simply because everyone knows it might play a role. Why shouldn’t it be mentioned??

I do suspect racism might play a role. They treat migrant workers from predominantly black and Asian countries very poorly - it was allegedly noted on his record that he was Pakistani in order that he may receive the worst treatment which shows their hierarchy.

So it’s not a stretch to see how this prejudice could extend to harsher treatment of Black and South Asian people even if they’re of western backgrounds. Anti-Blackness is a common feature of many Arab cultures as well.

Interestingly I just looked up the case involving the man who had a speck of weed found on his sole and was jailed for 4 years, - he was a Black British man! I’m not sure if he had to serve the full sentence. Have googled but can’t see anything more except his initial sentence. Does anyone know?

Feelingathomenow · 12/12/2024 20:14

Sorshpans · 12/12/2024 20:10

I question the parents or young man’s choice to use media and racism to try to influence the Dubai legal system.

Many people use the media in these situations and in some cases there had been a “positive” outcome - although I can’t say for sure if it was directly related to the media , government intervention or something else.

I don’t know if they mentioned racism but it is being discussed online simply because everyone knows it might play a role. Why shouldn’t it be mentioned??

I do suspect racism might play a role. They treat migrant workers from predominantly black and Asian countries very poorly - it was allegedly noted on his record that he was Pakistani in order that he may receive the worst treatment which shows their hierarchy.

So it’s not a stretch to see how this prejudice could extend to harsher treatment of Black and South Asian people even if they’re of western backgrounds. Anti-Blackness is a common feature of many Arab cultures as well.

Interestingly I just looked up the case involving the man who had a speck of weed found on his sole and was jailed for 4 years, - he was a Black British man! I’m not sure if he had to serve the full sentence. Have googled but can’t see anything more except his initial sentence. Does anyone know?

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What the hell? Is that actually real re the speck of dope on a persons sole?

Sorshpans · 12/12/2024 20:15

Feelingathomenow · 12/12/2024 20:14

What the hell? Is that actually real re the speck of dope on a persons sole?

unfortunately yes!

www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/briton-jailed-for-four-years-in-dubai-after-customs-find-cannabis-weighing-less-than-a-grain-of-sugar-under-his-shoe-7294426.html

Coolasfeck · 12/12/2024 20:26

Not a chance in hell would I ever go to that country. They pay influencers to pretend it’s a great place but no. I can buy nice things in sane countries.

Oh, and fuck you to the girls mother. What kind of evil must run through her heart to do that to someone’s child? I hope she can’t sleep through guilt and karma kicks her on the arse.

Coolasfeck · 12/12/2024 20:27

Fuck that. Why would anyone ever go that country??!

Feelingathomenow · 12/12/2024 20:27

Jesus- I can remember going to the Maldives and sweating when my bag was swabbed recalling my the boyfriend rolling a joint on it in Amsterdam.

my husband once got quickly questioned at an airport after they found traces of explosives on his trainers but the said he had most likely picked something up on the street.

I think it’s about time the UK government warned against trips to Dubai.

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