To think Lee Anderson is seen as fair game ?

[Jumell]

The ‘Somme’ memes and quotes have been doing the rounds in social media and yes they have raised a smile .

But d’you think he’s got to the stage where whatever he says he just gets lampooned ?

FYI I’ve never voted Reform and in my life I’ve voted

Con
Lab
Lib Dem

at different times so I’m not

far right, I’m not far left, and I’ve never voted for one of the non mainstream ‘minority’ or ‘extreme’ parties

im also not that political generally speaking - in the last election I admit I didn’t know enough about the respective parties’ manifestos to make what I felt was an informed choice …

I do feel that the Conservatives shot them selves in the foot on the issue of National Servuce though …

Is Nottinghamshire "North"? Its East Midlands

I think it's safe to say that Lee Anderson regularly crosses no mans land.

Some the comments on this thread have raised a smile .. to be fair ..

Private Eye will no doubt have a field day over this

He’s a racist idiot.

He deserves all the mockery he gets.

But d’you think he’s got to the stage where whatever he says he just gets lampooned ?

Well he does say a lot of lampoonable things.

He says such stupid things - of course he's fair game for lampooning.

His little statement did make me laugh out loud though - I'll give him that!

He deserves every comment or piss tale coming his way hes an ignorant prat and shouldn't be near legitimate political debate

The fact that thousands of people looked at this chump and thought ‘yes, that’s who I want to represent me’ is completely mind blowing.

Do you think they thought about it ?

I've known people who have no idea who they voted for. As long as it was <insert party name here>

He’s a fool.

I know little about the guy. But I looked up the Somme quote and could see it was a reasonable analogy in response to an unreasonable question. Yes women suffer, through the bodily inconveniences mentioned (and more). Also yes men suffer due to the social demands placed on them, which include war in many countries/times, dangerous manual work, unsupported mental health and consequent high suicide rate. It's not reasonable to say only women suffer, it is sexist and does us no favours. Gender roles and stereotypes impact men as well as women. So I agree with OP, this attack on Lee Anderson is unfair and pure snobbery. If a posh bloke said the same, it would and does go unremarked.

If anyone is unaware of his latest point ...

Yes, because women are famously immune to the privations of war.

Don't be fucking daft.

FFS

Yes indeed that must be why almost all refugees from Ukraine are women and children. Where are the men? Who are the 650,000 front-line soldiers who have been slaughtered in that bloodbath?
Of course women are affected by war, but they are not generally expected by society to sacrifice themselves.

Except it wasn’t a reasonable analogy given as the biological examples are things most women experience whereas fighting at the Somme impacted a minuscule portion of men (which does not include Lee Anderson).

It was a batty response.

(Also women are also impacted by war - not merely by physical injury and death but also rape as a common tool of war. Look at the nightmare that is Sudan right now. And lest we forget - women do fight in the military now.)

Also the original tweet was a fair question about biology. I have had this discussion with friends and my mother on the education they have had to provide male partners on the impact of pregnancy, the menopause and periods because their male partners have absolutely not point of reference to comprehend and so at times have found it difficult to empathise (a friend of mine recalls constantly arguing with her partner during her first pregnancy because he was frustrated at her lack of energy - he could not comprehend her fatigue because he had not comparable point of reference except having a few too many late nights in a row.)

I read that in that light not “hurdy, gurdy men have it easy!”

But I looked up the Somme quote and could see it was a reasonable analogy in response to an unreasonable question

yeahhhh….. it wasn’t though was it? It was just fucking stupid.

theres plenty he could have legitimately come back with, certainly societies expectations of men could be argued as pressure and their emotional repression enforced from a young age causing massive impact on their MH etc.

but he didn’t, he chose to make a tool remark piggy backing on the bravery and sacrifice of men he couldn’t hold a candle to and hasn’t an iota of real world experience about to make himself look like even more of a tool than he’s already known as.

reform need to change their symbol to a tool box and use bob the builder as their theme song.

Maybe if war is so hard on the pore menz they could just not start so many of them?

It was such a stupid comment. The question was about frequent and universal experiences; the point being the regular and ordinary challenges that women deal with and men don't. There are plenty of regular and ordinary experiences he could argue that men face but he picked the Battle of the Somme - specifically because idiots like him fetishise the world wars to an embarrassing and pathetic degree. There are many conflicts taking place around the world right now, but his point of reference is that one? Because he's clueless and wants to feed some macho fantasy. If he had to engage on a genuine level, if he had to talk about the reality of war then he'd end up having to acknowledge that it isn’t in any way similar to the wet dreams Reformers have about WWI and II. And he'd end up in a conversation about the sexual violence inflicted on women in war zones in vast and unthinkable numbers too. Or the enormous numbers of women and children being maimed and killed in Gaza right now perhaps. How war is terrible for everyone, and the lives of men, women and children are sacrificed in its course. And he would have to admit how he, personally, is a million miles away from ever being conscripted to fight - it's simply not ever going to happen to him. Throwing it into a conversation about the day to day reality of being a woman is so far beyond absurd! He's such a prick.

To be fair, the men who die in wars are very rarely the people who start them.

I'd also like to add that Lee Anderson is a complete and utter bellend with no redeeming features.

There could have been a reasonable argument to the point made about women's difficulties but 'The Somme' wasn't it.

Maybe if war is so hard on the pore menz they could just not start so many of them?

Now you are just being silly.

This is going too far ...