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To think people are quite petty to object to charity shop staff getting "first dibs" when they are BUYING the items?

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SorcererGaheris · 06/12/2024 20:03

For context, I am a volunteer in a charity shop myself, and if I see something that I want, I will purchase it. The shop doesn't give staff discounts, either; staff pay full price - the last item I bought, a book, cost me £40.

Anyway, I COMPLETELY understand people objecting if volunteers were to just take donated items for themselves, but I've seen some online discussions in which people complain about the staff getting first pick of donations when they are paying for them. I really don't see the problem in this case, and think people who object are rather out of line. Other retail workers surely sometime purchase items from the shops they work in, so I don't see why volunteers should be begrudged that. A volunteer is a customer as much as any other.

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FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange · 11/12/2024 07:46

SnappyGreyLemur · 11/12/2024 07:40

@FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange no the items are not underpriced, in fact people complain we charge too much. Some of the resellers will just buy an item because of the label irrespective of what it is.

But if they are reselling, they must be reselling at a higher enough price to make it worthwhile. I understand that the reselling process adds a certain amount of value, i.e. the purchaser can search for 'size 10 Monsoon dress' on Vinted rather than going round 10 charity shops to find one, but it's hard to make that account for a price differential that would also allow for the buyer's postage costs being added.

SnappyGreyLemur · 11/12/2024 07:49

@jxpop665 are you a volunteer in a charity shop?

In our shop if stock hasn’t sold in three weeks it is either reduced or taken off the shelf and sent to another shop. So if volunteers (or their friends and family) are not allowed to buy items for 28 days they are likely to miss out. Most volunteers do not volunteer to profit from donations so it seems unfair they are penalised for giving their time.

DrZaraCarmichael · 11/12/2024 07:56

jxpop665 · 11/12/2024 00:33

Yabu

It's a complete abuse and diminishes the stock. I'd be okay that shop stafff could purchase at full price after being on display for 28 days. No purchases from people and family who know people who are staff.

Basically if you would buy it before it hits the floor, the price needs to increase until you wouldn't.

Abuse? Give over.

And we have a rotation system which means nothing is in the shop for more than 3 weeks, so with your insane proposal of not allowing volunteers to buy anything for 28 days, we'd not be allowed to buy anything, ever.

Never ceases to amaze me how many people harbour such contempt and distaste for people who give up their time to support charities.

ShanghaiDiva · 11/12/2024 07:59

jxpop665 · 11/12/2024 00:33

Yabu

It's a complete abuse and diminishes the stock. I'd be okay that shop stafff could purchase at full price after being on display for 28 days. No purchases from people and family who know people who are staff.

Basically if you would buy it before it hits the floor, the price needs to increase until you wouldn't.

And how would you implement that policy? You would need to know by sight all of a volunteer’s friends and family…
If you increase the price such that a volunteer would not buy iI, you may find that no customer will buy it either! We have pricing guidelines to follow and ime it’s paid staff who price items. I’m a volunteer and price books and use my own knowledge and company guidelines to price them eg books that are in excellent condition or just published I will put out at a higher price.
You clearly have no idea how a charity shop operates. Where I volunteer we don’t keep stock out at full price for 28 days.

DrZaraCarmichael · 11/12/2024 07:59

FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange · 11/12/2024 06:59

Is there any kind of feedback process for the price-setters?

Well ... there's this weird new-fangled thing called talking to each other. If you're not sure what you should price something at you say to another volunteer "what would you put on this, I'm thinking £8" and the reply "that's a bit much I'd say £5" or "no, we can get more than that, try £14".

Multiple conversations along those lines ever shift. 🙄

ShanghaiDiva · 11/12/2024 08:03

SnappyGreyLemur · 11/12/2024 07:49

@jxpop665 are you a volunteer in a charity shop?

In our shop if stock hasn’t sold in three weeks it is either reduced or taken off the shelf and sent to another shop. So if volunteers (or their friends and family) are not allowed to buy items for 28 days they are likely to miss out. Most volunteers do not volunteer to profit from donations so it seems unfair they are penalised for giving their time.

I doubt s/he is as the comments are batshit.

FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange · 11/12/2024 08:04

DrZaraCarmichael · 11/12/2024 07:59

Well ... there's this weird new-fangled thing called talking to each other. If you're not sure what you should price something at you say to another volunteer "what would you put on this, I'm thinking £8" and the reply "that's a bit much I'd say £5" or "no, we can get more than that, try £14".

Multiple conversations along those lines ever shift. 🙄

I was asking in response to Sorcerer saying that they have no control over pricing because it's set by head office.

DrZaraCarmichael · 11/12/2024 08:04

What @FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange doesn't get is that there is a balance here. Listing things on Vinted and Ebay takes TIME. You have to photo the item, write a description, upload it. Then deal with offers and questions and when it finally sells, package it and take it to the post office / drop off point.

Time = Money.

All for an extra few quid. In the time spent faffing with photos and responding to emails, the volunteer could have powered through 4 or 5 other black bags of donations and priced them for sale, right now, in the shop. It is not practical to stick everything online for the highest possible price. Some of the very good stuff goes to auction.

And besides, then the armchair critics would switch their moaning from "the volunteers take all the good stuff" to "all the good stuff is online".

ShanghaiDiva · 11/12/2024 08:05

DrZaraCarmichael · 11/12/2024 07:59

Well ... there's this weird new-fangled thing called talking to each other. If you're not sure what you should price something at you say to another volunteer "what would you put on this, I'm thinking £8" and the reply "that's a bit much I'd say £5" or "no, we can get more than that, try £14".

Multiple conversations along those lines ever shift. 🙄

We do that as well. It’s almost as if charity staff have experience and understand their role…

DrZaraCarmichael · 11/12/2024 08:05

Also to add - where are we meant to store all the items that have been listed for online sale? And all the packaging? And all the donations which have come through the door while all the volunteers are busily listing on Vinted and taking parcels to the post office?

BonstanceBarroll · 11/12/2024 08:06

I want to answer with YANBU and YABU simply because I have experienced and witnessed both aspects.
My most recent stint with a local charity caused me untoward stress and frustration, as there were a few 'dealers' who 'worked' as volunteers, but refused to do anything helpful other than rummage through all new donations, and siphon off the valuable items. There were a few of them(work in packs), and they'd take items for one another and hide them away until their 'colleague ' came in (think in terms of Jane has all the scrap gold-we let her take it all and it's in trust as she kindly gives us a lump sum now and then, Bert has all the vintage silver- Bert goes to auction houses but gives us the odd £20, Lesley has all the designer bags- she doesn't need to work as she makes so much money from reselling..).

The manager was useless and protective over these volunteers (towing the line), and would say "oh, just put a pound in for each item" within earshot of those that were grafting. Annoyingly, I'd always insist on paying the eBay equivalent rate and did everything by the book, but there was rarely anything of excitement to buy as the vultures would descend, and I only needed the odd item. Some even had keys to the premises and would go out of hours, others would just turn up and run ages whilst the rest of us were working and doing the actual slog.

The manager is a strange character and prone to gossip and vindictiveness, and refuses to follow process and protocols, such as correct induction and checks/training. She was/is a bully to those who were gentle and vulnerable and difficult to work with too, so I will never truly understand the dynamics there but it is rotten and continues to this day. I made the mistake of over sharing that I had autistic traits and ADHD (I kick myself now), despite being Hugh functioning and a professional in my own right, and that was it. Assumptions were made and attitudes were shifted. It's as though vulnerabilities were seen as weaknesses, and I was treated like crap by this manager and her cronies. That said, there were some amazing souls there, who have a similar story to mine, so I try not to take it too personally.

I raised a grievance and took my concern to higher levels but was essentially blackballed for being a whistleblower. The last I heard (from a senior team member who is very connected) was that one of the senior staff has a nice new Range Rover on expenses and lives in a property on the estate, enjoying the fruits of the labours of the genuine staff and donations. She has taken it to the charity commission, as she has some legal clout and will not suffer fools, or crooks. I'm praying that something will come from this initial process of investigation.

Then again, I gaslight myself sometimes as It has been so ingrained to not believe what I see and hear there, and for it to be minimised and invalidated that I just don't know what is real and what isn't! The thieving and fraud is certainly very real, though, and most in the business seems to know of this charity and it's reputation.

It makes me weep and feel useless, but I've gone as far as I can speaking out - I have a disabled husband and son, and my husband has lost his job due to ill health yet employers are making it impossible for him to access early pension (court case may be brewing ) and life is in tatters in many ways for me, so I had to give up on this battle as I had a nervous breakdown in the summer dealing with personal traumas that are rooted in childhood.

Everyone who has worked there with the right attitude hasn't lasted. Those that are gentle keep quiet, doing the right thing and playing along for a quiet life, yet will rant when away from the shop.
Everyone locally in the charity shop realm knows what goes on there and moans, YET the trustees and management seemingly blackball any complaints. It goes right to the top and it will all come out eventually, but for now, I did all I could to raise concerns via the right avenue and was met with "where's your evidence?". When it is a big club and they close ranks, how on earth does the truth come out? Truth tellers are often scapegoated, sadly.

That said, to balance the books, this is only one charity which I know of that is shockingly bad (although very well known and loved locally but the customers/donators).

I have worked at a wonderful charity shop where everything was fair and just, processes were followed, and respect was given to the generous donations of the public, and items would be researched and placed out at a fair price, or popped onto eBay. Only after a designated amount of time would the item then be withdrawn and offered to staff at 50% discount. Staff were treated with respect and kindness, regardless of their disabilities or how they presented. Everyone was given a chance to feel included and important. This was the polar opposite of the other organisation.

There will always be rotten and mistrustful people who will take advantage of such places, especially when it is run on trust and not to any professional standards (not that this always helps, as I learned in the NHS). So sad, as the decent and authentic souls who want to do the right thing are often pushed out or defeated when they realise the reality of what goes on. Still, they battle on and speak out and thank goodness for the tenacious ones that will dare to fight to the bitter end for justice.

Wishing you all peace 🕊️.

DrZaraCarmichael · 11/12/2024 08:07

ShanghaiDiva · 11/12/2024 08:05

We do that as well. It’s almost as if charity staff have experience and understand their role…

Quite, @ShanghaiDiva . But that can't be right because as you well know we're all too thick to hold a conversation, or too busy filling a skip with all the "good stuff" to talk to anyone.

FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange · 11/12/2024 08:08

ShanghaiDiva · 11/12/2024 08:05

We do that as well. It’s almost as if charity staff have experience and understand their role…

Again - I was replying to Sorcerer who said they had no control over pricing because the prices are set by head office.

Why don't you and DrZara actually read the thread before leaping on with your sarcasm?

ShanghaiDiva · 11/12/2024 08:23

@FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange
where I volunteer there are pricing guidelines, but we also use our own judgement eg I will price brand new, just released paperbacks at a high price than the guideline. Managers feed back to area managers and head office on a variety of issues including pricing.
we also listen to customer comments on pricing.
We have new goods allocated to our store and prices are fixed and we cannot reduce them regardless of how long they sit on the shelf. Some don’t sell as the price point is too high and we will share that info with the area manager.
We have detailed reports on sales in each area eg books, men’s clothing etc and managers look at this and the amount of space each range has in the shop and adjust the layout accordingly eg if sales on bric a brac are low we may reduce it by one metre and extend women’s clothes or seasonal items.

TheIncredibleBookEatingManchot · 11/12/2024 09:47

jxpop665 · 11/12/2024 00:33

Yabu

It's a complete abuse and diminishes the stock. I'd be okay that shop stafff could purchase at full price after being on display for 28 days. No purchases from people and family who know people who are staff.

Basically if you would buy it before it hits the floor, the price needs to increase until you wouldn't.

Sorry, but this is ridiculous.

Most stock gets rotated off after two to three weeks, because if it hasn't sold by then it probably never will. We have limited space and can't afford to waste it. If a volunteer wants to buy something within a day, a week, whatever of something being received, then great. It frees up space to get more of our good stock out.

High value items usually stay on a bit longer as it can take a bit more time for the right buyer to come in. If the right buyer happens to be a volunteer then no problem.

And not selling to anyone who knows a volunteer? That would only work if all our volunteers were single, friendless people with no families, otherwise our pool of potential customers would be drastically reduced.
Also lots of our regular customers become friendly with the volunteers on the till. Am I supposed to say to them, "sorry you can't shop here anymore because I heard you ask Susan about her holiday, so obviously you know her now "

I also think you're overlooking the fact that we have to make volunteering attractive to people, and having overly strict rules about what and when volunteers can buy is only going to make them feel taken advantage of and under appreciated. And the fact is we desperately need them and could never make the profits we do without them.

SorcererGaheris · 11/12/2024 11:20

mathanxiety · 11/12/2024 00:38

Because she appears not to understand many of the basic principles of running a charity shop. For starters, she calls herself a customer-volunteer.

The people whose job it is to actually run the shop (the managers) sometimes buy items themselves. Would you say that our managers have no idea how to do their job?

Given that my particular charity shop is doing fine in terms of sales and frequently has books of good quality, as well as CDs and DVDs of all kinds, I think it's reasonable to say that myself and the other staff are handling the shope just fine.

I call myself a customer-volunteer in order to make the point that when I am paying for items, that makes me a customer. (I realise you disagree here, so it's just going to have to be something we think differently about.)

As I see it - volunteer and customer are not mutually exclusive. When I take a break from work and buy an item, I am in the role of a customer. When I go back to work, I am back in my role as volunteer.

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SorcererGaheris · 11/12/2024 11:32

FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange · 11/12/2024 06:59

Is there any kind of feedback process for the price-setters?

I've no idea, I don't have any insight into what goes on in Oxfam charity shops apart from my experience in the shop itself. I have no clue what kind of processes (or even if there are any) there might be for staff at higher levels.

As it goes, the most recent instruction has been that no book can be priced at anything less than £2.99. That was the lowest price we were putting on the majority of our stock in general, although sometimes people would price something lower if it was a very slim paperback or something like a Mr Men's children's book. But now we've officially been told not to. I'm going to need to ask our manager if this Minimum £2.99 rule applies to CDs and DVDs as well, because most single CDs and DVDs are priced at £1.99 - so do we have to increase the price?

Staff who price fiction usually know that paperback fiction must usually be priced at £2.99, occasionally £3.99. Hardback fiction - priced at £3.99 or higher.

On standard non-fiction books, we're told that we should be pricing the books at a third of the original price. So if a book originally cost £30, they want us to price it at £9.99.

For books that look like they might be valuable (and some of these don't always have an original price on them) we're told to research them online to see how much they're worth. I always tell newer volunteers that if they're not sure if an item might be valuable or not, it's best to check it anyway. If it's selling for £3.99 online, they can just price it at that. If it's £75 online, then they can price accordingly.

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SorcererGaheris · 11/12/2024 11:39

jxpop665 · 11/12/2024 00:33

Yabu

It's a complete abuse and diminishes the stock. I'd be okay that shop stafff could purchase at full price after being on display for 28 days. No purchases from people and family who know people who are staff.

Basically if you would buy it before it hits the floor, the price needs to increase until you wouldn't.

Basically if you would buy it before it hits the floor, the price needs to increase until you wouldn't.

@jxpop665 But if that were to happen, the item would then be priced at more than its actual second hand value. And when it's then put out in the shop at that inflated price, other customers will potentially be put off from buying it. I'm not sure they'd be so willing to buy a second-hand novel for £6.99.

The most recent book I bought from the shop cost me £40, and that's probably more than your average customer would be prepared to pay. So are you saying that the price should have been increased to something like £200? That would be selling it at far beyond its actual market value and even if we happened to get a couple of customers who would have been interested in that particular book, they would have balked at spending £200 on it. So there would be no sale.

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FancyAReallyLongUsernameJustForAChange · 11/12/2024 17:56

SorcererGaheris · 11/12/2024 11:32

I've no idea, I don't have any insight into what goes on in Oxfam charity shops apart from my experience in the shop itself. I have no clue what kind of processes (or even if there are any) there might be for staff at higher levels.

As it goes, the most recent instruction has been that no book can be priced at anything less than £2.99. That was the lowest price we were putting on the majority of our stock in general, although sometimes people would price something lower if it was a very slim paperback or something like a Mr Men's children's book. But now we've officially been told not to. I'm going to need to ask our manager if this Minimum £2.99 rule applies to CDs and DVDs as well, because most single CDs and DVDs are priced at £1.99 - so do we have to increase the price?

Staff who price fiction usually know that paperback fiction must usually be priced at £2.99, occasionally £3.99. Hardback fiction - priced at £3.99 or higher.

On standard non-fiction books, we're told that we should be pricing the books at a third of the original price. So if a book originally cost £30, they want us to price it at £9.99.

For books that look like they might be valuable (and some of these don't always have an original price on them) we're told to research them online to see how much they're worth. I always tell newer volunteers that if they're not sure if an item might be valuable or not, it's best to check it anyway. If it's selling for £3.99 online, they can just price it at that. If it's £75 online, then they can price accordingly.

£2.99 is probably fair for books given that Oxfam bookshops take the time to display A-Z or by category for non-fiction.

You're right to query DVDs and CDs because the market has gone down for them (sadly - I still buy them - determined not to let my viewing choices be dictated by the CEO of Netflix etc). CEX now seem to have the majority of DVDs at £1 (sorted and classified) though obviously rarer ones and box sets go for a bit more. Many charity shops selling multiples for £1, though unsorted.

Tigergirl80 · 11/12/2024 22:36

I haven't got a problem with volunteers getting first dibs on stuff. They are giving their time. I do remember buying a toy DS really wanted. He has severe autism and not much holds his interest. But he had spotted an exact toy that he loved playing with at his respite and skipped over to the till with it to pay.

The woman that served me abruptly asked where I got that from? I hadn't seen that put out. Another woman said oh I've just put that out. Woman said why didn't you tell me? I would have had that for my grandson.

animaginativeusername · 12/12/2024 07:18

As a charity shop volunteer you don't have a wage. I see getting first dibs on donations as a benefit of working for free. You're working there, you might as well get something out of it

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