To think women have just had enough!?!

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Women seem to be coming forward publicly about sexual abuse, assault, sexism all over the place and standing up for themselves, and other women are supporting them.
Gisele Pelicot is the bravest woman I've ever seen.
Nikita Hand persisted and had her day in court with her rapist Conor McGregor. Huge support online.
Middle class women of a certain age are giving Gregggg both barrels for his disgusting behavior at work.

Aibu to think women have have enough and to cheer us on!!

YANBU. At all! But it bothers me that women have to do this in the first place. Don't any bosses in the workplace BBC notice the inappropriateness and stamp on it, before it even gets that far?
Obviously not, I guess.

I hope you're right. But I still see an awful lot of internalised misogyny, women appeasing men at all costs, women insisting that sex work is empowering and porn is normal. I don't feel particularly optimistic.

Yup

I really hope this is true and MEN finally get the message that they are the problem and need to sort themselves out. (I know it’s not all men but it is a male problem and they should ALL be sorting it out!)

What really bugs me here, is that it’s not just middle class nor middle age women who are finding their voice against arsehole men. Younger millennials and Gen z are braver than Gen X and Boomers at standing up to men from a younger age, many are also taking part in the 4B movement.

It is good. Finally. Any small amounts progress we have made here is very fragile though.

I think women have always "had enough" but the climate has changed and it now seems more worth speaking up.

In the 60s and 70s we'd "had enough". But we knew that if we complained we'd just be laughed at.

Why the change? It's not just people being more willing to speak up, I think women having more power, ie more money, as a result of changes in the workplace, has helped.

I agree.

You used to have to accept some level of lechery at work in order to succeed. You would use your body / looks to gain attention, to win “men” over in order to become higher up in a company. Been there, done that. Sadly. I am glad those days seem to be over for most of us.

If anyone had talked openly about it back in the day no one would have given a shiny shite.

Today I felt especially annoyed by the phrase "violence against women". Why don't we call it what it is, make violence.
And then the stupid circular discussion about how men are victims too and it's not all about women etc. would mostly stop.

I think this pretty covers it

https://www.thepoke.com/2024/07/17/ellie-taylor-message-women-everywhere-mash-report-viral-again/

And then all those weird tech bros like Elon Musk, pushing a women controlling agenda. Who is funding/pushing for us?!

I was watching a programme earlier today and there was a story about a woman who had been raped and murdered by a group of men. This took place in 1839. Nearly 200 years later and what has changed?

Not much @unsync , yet we've chaps telling us that there's no need for feminism in western countries because all the problems are sorted

It's exhausting isn't it? It's everywhere, all the time. The older I get, the more I dislike men. Even if NAMALT, they should step up and call the perpetrators out, instead they turn a blind eye.

No one is funding us I'm afraid.

And any funding there is for us is tiny and we're supposed to be ever so grateful. While snyone funding us with a pittance is busking in their perceived magnanimity.

What I find so annoying is that even the ‘good guys’ - and I include my husband in this - dismiss our experiences as they’re not their own, they’re unable to truly empathise.

I pink pilled DH this week when we were talking about what Gregg Wallace been accused of - I told him the number one reason men would be afraid to go to prison is the fear of getting raped, and how would he feel if the biggest guy in there made sexual comments to him and everyone else did nothing would he see that as complicit’ certainly has made him think outside the box.

I hope you are right!

I'm in Sweden and a couple of weeks ago a 84 year old woman decided to go to the press with her name and picture and tell the country about how she had been raped at her care home. Since then others have gained courage to admit it's happened to them too. Absolutely frightening that this is happening to some of our most vulnerable women but I am fairly sure that just 20-30 years ago nobody would have felt supported enough to make this public.

I largely agree with what you are saying OP and you are not unreasonable. Cheering on these woman standing up for themselves is absolutely right. I’d like though to add a slightly different take on the women having had enough bit. There is a hint in that (unintentional I know) of women having had the power to do something sooner had they felt inclined. That bit I don’t agree with.

I have just turned 58. I have always had enough of sexual abuse and harassment and have always tried to call it out when I encounter it. But truly, until not very long ago, there seemed no audience for such complaint.

I recall so vividly, around about 1989, walking towards a man at work to shake his hand. He was surrounded by his male colleagues. I was the only woman in the room and rather than his hand he offered me his (limp) penis to shake. I turned and walked away and when I complained to my boss the response was not to say anything to anyone else as they were important clients (it was a hotel and I was a corporate functions manager). The concession my boss made was that I didn’t need to go back and speak to them again.

And in 2005 I was walking down the street in a market town pushing my baby in a buggy and with my 3 year old ahead with my parents, when a man pretty much fell out of a pub, bumped into me, bent me over a street bollard and groped my breasts and buttocks. I shouted loudly for him to get off me and the people around him told me not to make a fuss as he had Parkinson’s and had poor balance. Maybe so, but he definitely knew what he was doing with the groping. No-one. Not even my (otherwise lovely) parents were interested in my complaint.

And in addition to these 2 particularly nasty and memorable incidents, over the years I have been the subject of countless incidents of sexual harassment, inappropriate touch and distasteful comment. I am an outspoken, forthright woman, but have struggled to be heard. I am so glad the tide has turned, but I think it’s more than just women having had enough.

You are not wrong though OP to highlight that this is a huge change for the better and, as I said, I pretty much agree with what you have posted.

Agree with @FUBAR77 . My DH claims to be a feminist but I know he dislikes working in a female dominated department.
He was HOD in a previous job but was managed out.
I've told him to stop telling myself and our DD to smile when we're out and about.
I realise he's not a feminist because he's focused on his feelings as a male and how myself and DD reflect upon people when we are 'out'.
His 90 year old father has engendered this attitude despite DH leaving home to go to Uni.
DH will not challenge his siblings when they display misogynistic views even regarding our DD.
Men need to step up.
Maybe posters on the backs of doors in Wankerspoons.