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To ask for your experiences of restorative justice in school

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NotTooSureAboutAllThis · 29/11/2024 11:51

DD is in Year 7 at a mainstream secondary school. She's autistic and has an EHCP. She's a very kind, honest and empathic child but worries a lot about how she's perceived and needs much support with this at school and home. She also tends to over-apologise and blame herself for everything, which we're working on with her and school are aware of this.

The other week she had a minor falling out with a boy in her class - apparently he wasn't letting her contribute to a shared task so she snapped "why won't you let me join in?" and told the teacher, who intervened and told them to work together. The boy spent the rest of the lesson ignoring her, which confused DD so she tried to apologise in case she'd upset him, but said he just smirked.

Over the next few days he then either blanked her or laughed at her when she walked past. At first we encouraged DD to ignore his behaviour and tell a teacher if it continued (which she did), but when nothing seemed to improve and she was still extremely anxious about it, I asked her teacher to look into it. She replied that DD "has been offered a restorative justice meeting" with the boy but had declined, and that we should encourage DD to take up this offer to resolve things. When I asked DD how she felt about this, she said was frightened to have such a meeting "in case he hurts me" (he hasn't physically, but apparently he's sent out of class a lot for poor behaviour so she finds him very threatening). However, she was told the following day again to "think about it" and now feels she has to agree to the meeting.

I'm feeling very uneasy about this. Firstly, we weren't told about this option before it was presented to DD, and school is meant to inform us about proposed interventions. Secondly, as I understand it, RJ is only appropriate where the perpetrator has expressed contrition and the potential for further upset/harm to the victim is very low, but I don't think this is the case here as he seems to be enjoying the power over DD from what she says. I've no idea if the boy has even agreed to an RJ meeting before the idea was put to DD.

WIBU to tell school that a RJ meeting is not appropriate in this case, and that framing this a "both sides" situation sends the wrong message to all parties, especially given DD's issues? I'd be willing to consider it in the right circumstances but I really don't think it's a good idea here, and as a "strict" school that prides itself on having zero tolerance to bullying, I'm surprised they're suggesting it for a situation like this. Interested to hear other views though - does anyone have any experience of this approach being used well in similar circumstances?

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Motnight · 29/11/2024 11:57

The most important thing here is that your DD doesn't want a restorative justice meeting. If I were you I would be talking to the school about this, why on earth should your DD be forced to attend something that she is uncomfortable with?

2110l · 29/11/2024 12:02

Those meetings are a total joke. My autistic ds was asked to attend one with his bully (I wasn't informed and didn't get a say). DS was asked to explain to the bully what he would like him not to do and how it made him feel.

No prizes for guessing that this was a gift to the bully. Like a bullying manual for an already vindictive person.

And obviously the things he was asking the bully not to do were things that you aren't allowed to do anyway - take his stuff, injure him etc.

Absolutely fuckwitted.

You'd be better teaching your DD yourself NOT to fucking apologise to this boy. To just stare him down or whatever.

NotTooSureAboutAllThis · 29/11/2024 12:16

Thank you @Motnight - you're right. Tbh there have been so many battles to pick with school (joys of SEN parenting!) that it's useful to be reminded of this. I need to show DD that if she's said no, we will listen.

@2110l that sounds bloody awful and confirms my fears. Your poor DS. I agree - if the bully has broken the school rules, it's up to the school to discipline them rather than involving the victim (and potentially making that victim more vulnerable)

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Ablondiebutagoody · 29/11/2024 12:24

They are total bullshit. The other kid sounds like a nasty piece of work. The teachers should deal with him without trying to get your daughter to do it for them.

poetryandwine · 29/11/2024 12:32

I agree the meeting is a terrible idea. It is a cheap way for the school to feel they have done something. As PP say, there is a chance it could backfire very badly.

LemonySippet · 29/11/2024 12:43

My DD is also autistic and in Y7, I have told school they are not to run any restorative practice meetings with her as they were so detrimental to her in primary school. Essentially making her back down and tell the perpetrator it wasn't so bad after all and then shake hands and go on their merry way until out of the teachers sight when they could go back to whatever it was they were doing while gaslighting me that she is FINE. No thank you. Terrible practice.

BeMintBee · 29/11/2024 12:44

How crap of the school. Tell the restorative justice comes after the offender has taken responsibility for their actions and stopped them. Which he so far hasn’t.

suburburban · 29/11/2024 12:53

Appalling and ineffective

So sorry to hear this, group work is never easy

XmasNameChangeFail · 29/11/2024 12:59

Restorative meetings aren’t appropriate where there is even a sniff of bullying, where one or both parties are scared of the other or (crucially) if both parties don’t agree to it.

They won’t always be appropriate for children with autism or other types of neurodivergence or SEND, either. I’d always check with the child and their parent about whether they wanted to go ahead with this type of meeting in this case - before arranging.

The school has got this wrong.

SwanRivers · 29/11/2024 13:03

Sounds like they've given a trendy new name to the age old practice of getting two kids together with the teacher, to sort out their differences.

If she doesn't want to do it because she feels she's being bullied, then she should stick to her guns.

LuHolyoake · 29/11/2024 13:10

In my experience with younger children a restorative justice approach can be really useful for helping children to understand each others point of view and help understand what has happened and come to a solution all are happy with.

But if there's an imbalance of power, it can be counterproductive. I'm not sure it would be right given your daughter's vulnerability. I'd be inclined for your DD to say no to it, or to only say yes to it if she can have someone e.g. you or her dad, to attend it with her.

KnottyKnitting · 29/11/2024 13:10

IT
DOES
NOT
WORK!!!

All it does is give bullies an opportunity to say the right things in front of their victims or be taken into a quiet room for a nice "chat" usually twinned with a cup of hot chocolate and a biscuit. Hmm

Bullies don't care about the feelings of their victims. If they did, then they wouldn't be bullies in the first place.

Yes kids might come from a neglected background, suffer from poor parenting, have special needs. Deal with that and stop making the victims lives harder.

Fucking Paul Dix... Angry

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/11/2024 14:07

KnottyKnitting · 29/11/2024 13:10

IT
DOES
NOT
WORK!!!

All it does is give bullies an opportunity to say the right things in front of their victims or be taken into a quiet room for a nice "chat" usually twinned with a cup of hot chocolate and a biscuit. Hmm

Bullies don't care about the feelings of their victims. If they did, then they wouldn't be bullies in the first place.

Yes kids might come from a neglected background, suffer from poor parenting, have special needs. Deal with that and stop making the victims lives harder.

Fucking Paul Dix... Angry

Paul Dix is a total bellend

NotTooSureAboutAllThis · 29/11/2024 14:25

Thanks very much for these replies... seems pretty unanimous then! I hadn't heard of Paul Dix but having just read up a bit on him, I remain unconvinced about this approach. I really dislike the idea that you can just apply these lofty principles in struggling schools and expect them to magically work without a complete culture change 🙄
Definitely going to stand by DD's wishes here!

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Thatsthebottomline · 29/11/2024 14:33

As a practitioner, i think Restorative Practise done well is very useful. However, most of the time it is used as a half hearted attempt to make schools look like they are taking action.

It’s also a nightmare for Autism as my brain already works differently to everyone else. Most children, and myself included on the spectrum find Restorative Practise very confusing and vague.

DoreenonTill8 · 29/11/2024 14:36

I really struggle with this form of 'justice'.
So basically your dd is being asked to meet 1:1 with her bully and confirm for him how upsetting and awful his behaviour was for her?.
Bollocks to that!

Trallers · 29/11/2024 14:48

The kids that are terrible bullies always have a lot of their own crap going on that hasn't been dealt with. The idea that a special meeting with their victims will allow them to transecend their own brokenness and give them magical empathy into their victim's struggles is quite frankly preposterous. They don't care, that's the whole point! Bullies need firm boundaries regarding how to treat their peers combined with deep interventions to meet their emotional needs and heal them. Other kids need to not be subjected to cruelty in school. Anyone who understands what makes a bully bully surely can see that a forced airy-fairy meeting about feelings won't fix anything at all.

KnottyKnitting · 29/11/2024 20:21

Trallers · 29/11/2024 14:48

The kids that are terrible bullies always have a lot of their own crap going on that hasn't been dealt with. The idea that a special meeting with their victims will allow them to transecend their own brokenness and give them magical empathy into their victim's struggles is quite frankly preposterous. They don't care, that's the whole point! Bullies need firm boundaries regarding how to treat their peers combined with deep interventions to meet their emotional needs and heal them. Other kids need to not be subjected to cruelty in school. Anyone who understands what makes a bully bully surely can see that a forced airy-fairy meeting about feelings won't fix anything at all.

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Couldn't have said it better!

NotTooSureAboutAllThis · 29/11/2024 23:14

KnottyKnitting · 29/11/2024 20:21

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Couldn't have said it better!

I agree- tempted to say exactly this to the school!

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Mugler · 29/11/2024 23:24

Ablondiebutagoody · 29/11/2024 14:07

Paul Dix is a total bellend

This!

When the Adults Change Everything Changes
When the Parents Change Everything Changes
After The Adults Change Achievable Behaviour Nirvana
Pivotal Behaviour Management Handbook
Taking Care of Behaviour
The Essential Guide to Classroom Assessment

We had 2 DHT’s and one HT who swore by these books, the rest of the teachers rolled their eyes and oh how we laughed. We were a staff team of 42.

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