Louise Haigh

[Tryingtokeepgoing]

AIBU to think that if you really didn’t commit the crime, don’t plead guilty even if your solicitor advises you to. I mean, sure, for a traffic or speeding offence maybe that’d be the expedient thing to do. But fraud…?

Louise Haigh resigns over stolen mobile phone fraud conviction

https://www.thetimes.com/article/6772fe81-8e36-4e5d-baa8-4902a6553b4d?shareToken=3fe1e52cb5b31dc1a3e40721c219a69e

What do you think I am ‘conveniently ignoring’? Not one poster has said it was in some way illegal that she was in her job with a spent conviction.

Which is why my other point is relevant - there was clearly much more than a couple of lost phones for an employer to involve the police, for the police to think it worth investigating and for the CPS to prosecute and for her to then plead guilty.

The lengths people will go to to convince themselves that ‘their’ party can do no wrong, but the others are all totally sh**s is laughable really.

There must be more to this. As PPs say, this doesn't appear to be a one off. I read somewhere this morning that the 'stolen' phone pinged some time after it was reposted as such, which is when it was discovered to be 'unstolen' - something's not adding up.

She’s resigned from the cabinet. She is still an Mp. She has a job.

I don't think that's right. With data protection etc you can get into a lot of trouble.

I think the senior Labour source is right about what the party are going for with this quick clean resignation. Allows for Haigh disappearing into the woodwork without necessity of laying out all of the details.

BBC says:
‘One senior Labour figure described it as a “good resignation” which may allow her to come back at a later date with a clean slate.
We are also told that Haigh had told Sir Keir about the specifics of this case when he first appointed her to the shadow cabinet.
But The Times claims this row relates to more than one mobile phone being stolen or going missing. Haigh’s team have not denied this, but have not been drawn on it either.’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y31zyw90vo

@Tryingtokeepgoing

she was clearly stupid. When she found phone I get turning it on then she should have

1. gone to the police
2. czlled the police
3. emailed the police

Then she would Not have been charged.

Why are all the politicians so stupid. It is clear the pay is not enough. Clever business people and professionals won’t go into politics as they get public scrutiny and would take a cut in pay.

‘so we need to pay them a lot more to get the best.
How could she be so stupid?

She wasn’t charged because it was one phone though - that’s obvious. The police / CPS just wouldn’t be interested. There’s clearly much more.

Resigning was the right thing to do / only option. If Starmer brings her back again in the future he’s even more politically inept that he has portrayed so far. How can a minister negotiate with anyone with a conviction for fraud hanging over her.

It’s funny how quickly some people are to hang, draw and quarter their cleaner if there’s the mere suspicion that something’s gone missing, on the grounds of trust and not being comfortable with them in the house. And yet a convicted criminal is seen as fit for a senior government post 😴

It was apparently more than once but only one went to court

If her version of events is correct she’s very dim with awful judgement for not telling her employer and the police immediately that she found the phone. If she deliberately didn’t tell them, then she’s dishonest. Both should really be a resigning issue (hence her resigning).

Of there was accountability then this wouldn't be 'news' because everyone would have already known.

The more telling thing for me, almost more than the conviction, is that she was sacked by Aviva. They are not known for being a ruthless hire and fire company. They must have had sufficient/substantial evidence to warrant firing her.

it should not be difficult to staff the cabinet with people who are squeaky clean, qualified and know their stuff, not hypocrites, not liars

why is it so hard?

Because people who are honest, rational and realistic look at the life of a politician and everything that goes with it and decide they would rather stick a fork in a socket. So that leaves the delusional, the unhinged and the downright sociopathic.

This blame shifting on to her solicitor is nauseating. She should have just said she fucked up.

It's the same with Michelle Mone, moaning that she didn't declare her financial interest in her husband's PPE Medpro consortium to the House of Lords because she did what someone told her to.

What a load of shit.

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There is nothing remotely 'refreshing' about Louise Hague. She would undoubtedly been removed during the first cabinet reshuffle due to her appalling record during the short time she was in the role.

Agree regarding the solicitor - throwing them under the bus is low. She was a grown woman who didn’t have to accept their advice if she disagreed with it.

I reckon she’s also paying the price for embarrassment caused by her remarks about P& O . Allegedly the PM had to step in

Being mugged is not like being burgled, where it takes a while to assess what exactly has been stolen. You literally hand over your belongings to the mugger. You know exactly what they are taking. She is a liar and should never have been allowed to be even an MP.

Yes and the conviction was not for theft (of the phones); it was for fraud, ie, she admits being a dishonest person

This! I may also even have lost a phone or two along the way without gaining a criminal record!

110%

IMO
• LH faked the mugging
and/or
• she got caught trying to re-sell the handset. Simply switching it on is not going to get a police involvement. Her employer likely reported the IMEI for phone to the central police theft website. She brought it to CEX or Cash for Phones. They take it from you and always cross check with police database. The re-seller reported it to police.

Her story doesn’t make sense that she “didn’t know” if the work phone was stolen during the mugging. Hogwash.

When the 24 y.o. Louise finds the phone, she would bring it to work and return it, right? It’s her work phone, in her own home, how long could it take her to find it after the mugging?? If she got mugged on Saturday, she would find it in her work bag by Monday morning.

No way she “switched it on and police came to her house”.
Simple misunderstand you don’t hire a Solicitor snd THEN plead guilty!!!

She planned a fraud, and because she is stupid, she got caught.

Agree … HR/legal in large corporations generally avoid sacking for “no reason” esp in regulated industry.

If view was solid “fraud financial gain” she would have no grounds for unfair dismissal … being a union mindset person she would never have allowed an “unfair dismissal”.

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The important person, ie the PM, did already know.

The people who should know are her constituents - they are the important people.