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To wonder what drives foreign fraudsters and criminals?

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Ezlo · 27/11/2024 19:50

I'm watching a programme on gang Universal Credit fraud and the other day I watched a programme on a shoplifting gang. The crims featured were Romanian and Bulgarian. I'm genuinely wondering what drives these people to come to the UK and then commit these crimes. Is it greed? Poverty?

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Sofianite · 27/11/2024 21:36

I'm from one of the countries involved and the "being from a poor country" is just nonsense and insulting to those of us who were born there and lead honest lives. Also, these countries are no longer as poor as they used to be - in my country many people now have a better life than many in the Uk, including people with higher salaries than my Uk one. Even some unskilled manual jobs are now quite well paid.
There's still poverty like everywhere of course, but not all poor people are fraudsters. These people probably weren't even poor back home.

Why do they do it? I guess for the same reasons anyone commits a similar crime, for greed and what they see as "easy money". They want money but don't want to work for it and think they can get away with it.
In my country the legal system isn't efficient and can be corrupt, so they do get away with a lot, but the benefits system is a lot less generous than the Uk so it's not as profitable. Universal Credit money, when converted to local currency, would be worth a lot more than what they can get back home.

The shoplifting and pickpocketing - it's usually (not always, but almost always) people from...a certain minority background, as un-PC as that might sound. Stealing is a way of life for many of them, and these types are equally hated in their own countries by normal people. Except people there are wise to their tricks and it's more difficult for them. If caught they'd just get beaten up and the police are also not gentle with them either. Prisons there are pretty brutal too. In comparison they see the UK as a soft touch.

They probably don't view being arrested by British police and spending time in a British prison as a real punishment. So in short, they do it as it's profitable for them and because the risks are worth it to them. They also do similar things in Germany.

We (people from my country) are outraged by it too and don't want them in our countries either.

Sofianite · 27/11/2024 21:39

@CheesecakeTheCapybara Not all Eastern European people are white, there are non white ethnic minorities who have lived in Eastern European countries for centuries.

CheesecakeTheCapybara · 27/11/2024 22:41

Sofianite · 27/11/2024 21:39

@CheesecakeTheCapybara Not all Eastern European people are white, there are non white ethnic minorities who have lived in Eastern European countries for centuries.

Sure but that's the same as in Britain too. So it's not linked to race is my point.

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 28/11/2024 00:55

@Ezlo what’s the show called please? Tried to Google it but nothings come up. TIA

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