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Grandparents too soft with grandchild

23 replies

JMaggs93 · 26/11/2024 22:15

Apologies if this becomes a long post but I don't want to drip feed, also this has me so frustrated and I need to get it off my chest.

My ds is 4 years old and has a good bed time routine with me (dad and I separated) I begin his routine around 6pm, with a bath after supper, warm milk, into bed with a story then lights out, a kiss goodnight and ten minutes later he's sleeping happily.

I go to a club activity two evenings a week from 7pm to 8pm. I always did this when ex was living at home, when we separated I thought I'd have to give up the activity due to being a single parent but my dear parents, who live just around the corner from me and are active, hands on grandparents, both in their 50s, kindly offered to sit in my house while my ds was in bed so I could continue this activity. We have been doing this for a couple of months now, with little to no issues as I would put ds to bed before they arrived and he'd be asleep already for them.
Lately though he has been taking a little longer to fall asleep in bed which is fine, he is happy and says goodnight to me but just takes a little longer. So when my parents have arrived ds is still awake and can hear them arrive, then gets excited and works himself up which I know is normal for grand kids and grand parents. I went to my activity, leaving them with some boundaries and instructions such as encouraging them to not give in to ds as he is known for being crafty and trying different things on with different family members especially when I'm not there. I also asked them to make sure he was not allowed back downstairs as this would only wind him up.
Lo and behold I get home just after 8pm and ds is still awake with my mother chatting away to him in his bedroom. I was told he wouldn't settle and he had in fact been allowed downstairs and played with his toys, which then explained why he was so hyper when I got home. I expressed my dismay at this and was accused instantly of having an attitude and there was an indication that I should just be grateful, which I am, deeply, but this is defeating the object. Ds was extremely cranky the next day but all was forgotten then.
Tonight I've been to the activity again and my mother and I decided that DS would stay up whilst they arrived at my house, so around 6.30-7pm, i would leave thus allowing my son to have some nice time with his grandparents, and then about twenty minutes or so before I would get home my mother would go through his routine with him and put him to bed, which I thought would solve the issue.
I arrived home tonight, the living room TV was turned up so loud I could hear it outside my front door, all the lights were on, toys were out and ds was sat with my parents on the sofa. I was told that he would not settle, they had completed his routine and taken him to bed and just because ds said 'he didn't want to go to bed' he was allowed back downstairs to try and wear him out. It had the opposite effect and he was like a bottle of pop when I came in.
I said then in frustration that if he does this, they have to be firm with him and take him back to his bedroom. My dad then said, a little annoyed, "well aside from kicking and screaming there's not much else we can do".
Ds doesn't kick and scream when going to bed. He does do this when he is told no at times, especially by my parents, as he so used to them always saying yes which I have spoken to them about before.
My parents left, I took ds to bed who ran upstairs without a peep as he knew what he had done, got into bed, said goodnight and was asleep within minutes.

Again sorry for the long post but I just don't know how to articulate this to my parents without starting an argument. They tend to get very defensive when being called out on something and valid points go in one ear and out the other.

AIBU?

Yes - you should just be grateful your parents babysit so you can go do an activity,

No - your parents need to respect the boundaries and routine and learn to be firmer with DS.

Thank you.

OP posts:
GrumpyCactus · 26/11/2024 22:20

Does it actually matter if two nights a week he's up until just after 8pm? He's obviously not going to want to go to bed when his grandparents are over and it's hardly a late night so my advice would be to just let this one go. It's really not that big of a deal.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 26/11/2024 22:21

It would be great if they did as you ask but you can’t make them and their take on the situation is that it’s impossible.
you have to weigh up how important your activity is to you . Maybe go just once a week to minimise the late nights?

DeffoNeedANameChange · 26/11/2024 22:21

Of course they'd rather spend some nice time with him than come over just to have a go at him and send him to bed.

You might have to put your activity on hold until he's old enough to cope with a later night.

KrisAkabusi · 26/11/2024 22:23

It's one night a week, he's having fun, let it happen.

Jadeleigh196 · 26/11/2024 22:26

What time does he wake up usually? I can't see why he'd be that cranky from going to bed at 8. Grandparents are meant to be soft, he's enjoying his time spent with them. I'd let it be and relax a bit.

Grmumpy · 26/11/2024 22:27

I think they need to keep him in his room. I agree with you on this. As a gp I know it can be hard but I think particularly keeping the child in their room and quiet is important. I sometimes tell my gd I will sit outside her room until she goes to sleep if she is worried. Usually reading calming stories in a slow low voice works too.

Marblesbackagain · 26/11/2024 22:27

It's 8pm not midnight. I would say it's fair trade off. Grandparents gotta grandparent.

Mischance · 26/11/2024 22:41

Babysitters and grandparents are fair game when it comes to bending the bedtime rules - that is almost a rule in itself!
Children know that different adults have different rules and do things differently. It will not warp his development. I would just chill.

Styleislost · 26/11/2024 22:51

I think people want a village to support them. But don’t accept that the village are people too. With their own feelings and relationship with the child, own things they feel comfortable doing and not doing.

I get as parents we have preferences over what we want to happen when someone else looks after our child. But I think this is taking it to an extreme.

You are making such a big deal out of not very much. They won’t parent him like you do because they aren’t his parents. They are his grandparents which is entirely different.

If it’s really that much of an issue and it needs to be done your way, then don’t ask them to look after him. They have shown you they don’t want to force him back to bed. They don’t feel comfortable doing that. Getting them to babysit then moaning at them because they aren’t acting like his parent isn’t good for anyone.

BonbonJJx97 · 26/11/2024 23:04

I think this is a bit over the top. I get that we as parents have our own routines but if it bothers you that much scrap your activity. Or fork out the money and pay for a babysitter, however you'll probably find yourself in the same predicament. All children test the waters when their parents are not around especially if they know they can get away with it but you can't expect your parents to come out of their comfort zones and expect them to be more firm their doing you a favour at the end of the day.

SouthLondonMum22 · 26/11/2024 23:10

If he's ok the next day and not grumpy then I would let it go. If he is grumpy the next day because he hasn't had enough sleep then I would at least drop to doing the hobby once a week to minimise the disruption to his sleep.

DinosaurMunch · 26/11/2024 23:12

8 pm doesn't sound late for a 4 year old. You're lucky to have the free babysitting. As long as they're all happy I'd let them carry on. Your son can go straight to bed when you get home and enjoy some time with his grandparents before that.

PointsSouth · 26/11/2024 23:15

“As you’re grandparents, please come round. But when you’re here, don’t grandparent.”

saraclara · 26/11/2024 23:20

He goes to bed calmly for you, because you're mum and you're not exciting. You cannot expect him to respond in the same way to his grandparents putting him to bed. They could do exactly what you do, but it almost certainly wouldn't work. Because they're his grandparents and they're novel and fun.

And yes, you're unreasonable to expect them to have to wrangle him at bedtime. He's not their child, and they don't have the experience of him and the little quirks and signs that you respond to without even knowing you're doing it.

You can have a six days in, one day off routine. Or call it mummy's routine and GP's routine. Your child will pick it up soon enough.

LaineyCee · 26/11/2024 23:23

It’s tough. I don’t think there’s any way you can persuade or compel them to do things differently. Either you accept your son isn’t going to sleep till after you return/ drop the activity on those nights/ or employ a paid babysitter for those nights….

Perhaps taking on a paid sitter might even convince your parents of the importance of the routine. And (if in the future you agree to them babysitting again) they will stick to it.

TizerorFizz · 26/11/2024 23:25

I think the compromise is come downstairs but be read to. No toys. No tv. Only quiet things. They get to spend time with him and he’s not over stimulated.

My DDs never went to bed much before 8 ever. They liked stories and preparation for bed. DH was not home at 6 and they wanted to see him so we delayed bedtime until they were tired and he was home. They slept all through and woke up around 7. That suited us!

ellyo · 26/11/2024 23:33

I don't think this is too big a deal, and if you're not getting anywhere I'd address it by choosing your absolute non-negotiables and sharing them along with how you're going to compromise. Something like
"Thanks so much for babysitting mum and dad, I can see it's tricky to expect DS to stick to his routine when you're there and it'd be nice for you to have some special time with him. I'm happy for him to be up and in the lounge, as long as the TV stays off the entire time. Otherwise, have fun!"

ellyo · 26/11/2024 23:34

Others have also suggested helping your parents to develop their own routine, which could also be really helpful - come at it from the angle of it helping DS to have a routine, even if it's not the same as yours. And then you can have some input into what it is

Eenameenadeeka · 27/11/2024 07:27

I think you are being really unreasonable for blaming your parents. They are being incredibly generous to babysit for you at bedtime, and I think it's unreasonable to expect your 4 year old to just go to sleep as usual when his grandparents are arriving (and you are leaving) of course it's disturbing his routine. If you want to continue to go out at his bedtime, I think you need to accept that it will be disruptive to him and let him read or play quietly with his grandparents.

Geneticsbunny · 27/11/2024 07:39

Grandparents are supposed to be fun. If the early bedtime is important then give up your club. If not then unclench and let them do their thing. Noone is getting hurt and they are all having a really lovely time , creating great memories and building a really good relationship. You will be thankful of other relationships with adults being in your son's life once he is a teenager and stops listening to you.

sashh · 27/11/2024 07:53

What is he like the next day? If he is at school does he get up and get ready the same as any other day?

Do your parents have a spare bed?

If he gets up OK the morning after I wouldn't worry much. If there is room at your parents I'd suggest he sleeps over there. Grandparents get longer with him and they have to put up with him staying up.

mayhayway42 · 27/11/2024 07:59

Jadeleigh196 · 26/11/2024 22:26

What time does he wake up usually? I can't see why he'd be that cranky from going to bed at 8. Grandparents are meant to be soft, he's enjoying his time spent with them. I'd let it be and relax a bit.

Honestly mine would be. It's just how they are. We always pay for a late night

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 27/11/2024 09:37

mayhayway42 · 27/11/2024 07:59

Honestly mine would be. It's just how they are. We always pay for a late night

Mine too, and they never sleep in no matter how late they go to bed.

OP if they don't mind doing so I'd try getting them to come much earlier so they can have time with him and do bed routine with you still there to supervise the going to sleep bit. Boundaries need to be things you're actually in control of. So your boundary could be not using them for childcare if they don't stick to the routine and he's awake when you get home. Their boundary seems to be that they're not willing to make him go to bed, so then you have to decide if you can find a way to make what you need to happen happen without putting them in that position. And if can't find a way to make it work then you need to decide what's the least harmful outcome for you, less sleep for DC or the missed activity. They're doing a nice thing and while ideally it would be much better for you if they stuck to the routine it's up to them what they'll willing to do.

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