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Could dragons really exist?

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ThatBrightHelper · 19/11/2024 07:42

I am friends with someone of viking descent, and she told me that her ancestors were friends with dragons, just like How To Train Your Dragon! I find that really cool that dragons might not be that imaginary.

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the80sweregreat · 19/11/2024 12:25

Yes and unicorns too!
The ' legends ' must have come from somewhere ?

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 12:30

Seem perfectly reasonable that the aliens could have brought dragons with them

Sdpbody · 19/11/2024 12:30

I think it is absolutely plausible that there were once dragons.

We had dinosaurs who flew.... This would account for dragons.

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 12:33

Sdpbody · 19/11/2024 12:30

I think it is absolutely plausible that there were once dragons.

We had dinosaurs who flew.... This would account for dragons.

But as far as I am aware there was no human/dinosaur overlap so how would humans know about them?

SharpOpalNewt · 19/11/2024 12:34

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 12:33

But as far as I am aware there was no human/dinosaur overlap so how would humans know about them?

Bones.

MillyMichaelson · 19/11/2024 12:37

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I always wonder why people think a kid would get a day off school and immediately fire up Mumsnet to troll middle aged women. As if!

ElleneAsanto · 19/11/2024 12:44

Excellent film made about this a few years ago by Channel 4 - I actually showed clips to GCSE Biology classes.

Ruminants produce methane from the bacteria in their digestive tracts, birds have grit in their crops to grind up seeds, so a possible ignition source.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Dragon_(2004_film)

Iheartmysmart · 19/11/2024 12:58

@BeCyanSloth Thats exactly the type of dragon I want! Should there be two hatchlings next year, I’d be more than happy to take one off your hands. Obviously subject to home inspection, can’t be rehoming dragons to just anyone.

BrunetteHarpy · 19/11/2024 13:04

MillyMichaelson · 19/11/2024 12:37

I always wonder why people think a kid would get a day off school and immediately fire up Mumsnet to troll middle aged women. As if!

Because it’s a more likely scenario than an adult of either sex spouting some of the nonsense on here?

See also the current thread where someone who claims to be a 31 year old man is refusing to put down his wife’s name as next of kin on forms for a new job, because once, when he was 17, his then boss called his mother to complain about his workplace performance.

It’s preferable to think that’s from a schoolchild bunking off than that there’s an actual 31 year old man who thinks that putting his wife’s number on a personnel form for work means his boss can call her to complain.

GinnyPiggie · 19/11/2024 13:07

MillyMichaelson · 19/11/2024 12:37

I always wonder why people think a kid would get a day off school and immediately fire up Mumsnet to troll middle aged women. As if!

Who cares? This is a GREAT question if you are 6 or 60.

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 13:12

SharpOpalNewt · 19/11/2024 12:34

Bones.

You mean fossils?

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 13:14

Iheartmysmart · 19/11/2024 12:58

@BeCyanSloth Thats exactly the type of dragon I want! Should there be two hatchlings next year, I’d be more than happy to take one off your hands. Obviously subject to home inspection, can’t be rehoming dragons to just anyone.

Don't you know that Dragon Rescues are run by Dragon hoarding weirdos whose only goal in life is to prevent perfect homes from getting a dragon?
Thats why people buy them from t'internet or "rescue" from abroad.

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 13:15

BrunetteHarpy · 19/11/2024 13:04

Because it’s a more likely scenario than an adult of either sex spouting some of the nonsense on here?

See also the current thread where someone who claims to be a 31 year old man is refusing to put down his wife’s name as next of kin on forms for a new job, because once, when he was 17, his then boss called his mother to complain about his workplace performance.

It’s preferable to think that’s from a schoolchild bunking off than that there’s an actual 31 year old man who thinks that putting his wife’s number on a personnel form for work means his boss can call her to complain.

He has posted before, unfortunately he may well be real
Americans innit

hamsandyams · 19/11/2024 13:16

BrunetteHarpy · 19/11/2024 07:59

Well, my ancestors were communing with unicorns, so am much more special, clearly.

Ah they’ll be the Vikings that settled in Scotland rather than Wales then ;)

LivingDeadGirlUK · 19/11/2024 13:26

I've always loved dragons and I love how every culture has its own 'dragon' specific to the region. As pp's have noted in most cultures they don't fly, thats very much the western dragon.

I'm sure fossils have played a big part in shaping the myths, but how complete is the fossil record? Fossils only form in specific environments, I doubt what we have seen is even 10% of the wildlife that existed at those time points.

MiddleagedBeachbum · 19/11/2024 13:32

Yes dragons are real!

LivingDeadGirlUK · 19/11/2024 13:32

There was an amazing cartoon in the 80s where the dragons fly by eating limestone and swallowing gems (treasure hoarding) to break the limestone up in the stomach and creating hydrogen gas. The gas made them fly like a blimp, and they breathed it out to come down.

Anyotherdude · 19/11/2024 13:39

MrsGhastlyCrumb · 19/11/2024 07:53

It's a cool idea, but when you're talking about ancestors thousands of years ago you cannot know much at all about what or who they were 'friends with '. I highly doubt they had dragon pals, though.

I think it's possible that people saw the odd dinosaur skeleton or bones at va tous points globally and the myth spread.

Many modern-day descendants of Vikings have a long tradition of story-telling.
Its difficult to imagine that the truth was passed down exactly for generations, or that people with an aptitude for entertainment and drama didn’t add their own spin onto these stories when telling them to people, E.g. their children, to keep them amused. Some children would have relayed these ales with their own embellishments, I’m sure!
Beowulf is one such story - pretty sure that among all the “normal” drama of family fallouts and wars, there is a monster - Grindel rings a bell…

Shakeoffyourchains · 19/11/2024 13:41

In short, no, dragons (with four legs and two wings) couldn't exist from a biological standpoint. All terrestrial vertebrates evolved from a lobed-finned fish with four limbs. For a creature to spontaneously evolved another pair of limbs would be a huge evolutionary jump that we have never seen.

Wyverns (two legs and two wings), on the other hand, are more plausible. Creatures like Quetzalcoatlus show that large, winged vertebrates existed. However, a real wyvern wouldn’t resemble the traditional fantasy depiction. It would need to be much smaller and lighter to achieve flight.

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 13:46

Anyotherdude · 19/11/2024 13:39

Many modern-day descendants of Vikings have a long tradition of story-telling.
Its difficult to imagine that the truth was passed down exactly for generations, or that people with an aptitude for entertainment and drama didn’t add their own spin onto these stories when telling them to people, E.g. their children, to keep them amused. Some children would have relayed these ales with their own embellishments, I’m sure!
Beowulf is one such story - pretty sure that among all the “normal” drama of family fallouts and wars, there is a monster - Grindel rings a bell…

I think that Grendel is actually the result of The King getting jiggy with something that may have been a dragon of some kind (in disguise one hopes).
Its probably allegorical

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2024 14:01

LivingDeadGirlUK · 19/11/2024 13:32

There was an amazing cartoon in the 80s where the dragons fly by eating limestone and swallowing gems (treasure hoarding) to break the limestone up in the stomach and creating hydrogen gas. The gas made them fly like a blimp, and they breathed it out to come down.

Well that be a great theory but of course the gas you can get out of limestone is carbon dioxide so this putative dragon could only serve as a fire extinguisher, not a flamethrower.😂

SoupDragon · 19/11/2024 14:26

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 12:33

But as far as I am aware there was no human/dinosaur overlap so how would humans know about them?

Have you not see the film "1 Million Years BC"?

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 14:37

SoupDragon · 19/11/2024 14:26

Have you not see the film "1 Million Years BC"?

Surely you mean The Documentary 1 million years BC?

SoupDragon · 19/11/2024 14:38

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 14:37

Surely you mean The Documentary 1 million years BC?

of course.