To support UK Farmers

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And due to KS's inability to face them in Wales today they are now thinking of going on strike. Because the govt are being too stubborn to reconsider how they apply IHT on working family farms. By all means close the loophole that allows the 'landed gentry' to take advantage of the agricultural exception but not with so blunt an instrument.

I was hoping to add a post to an existing thread but there isn't one despite it being headline news today.

Good luck buying food, after they are forced to sell their farms. They are land rich but cash poor. The average sheep farmer earns a pittance

Where's the protest OP? Keen to support.
As mentioned in my previous post I'm not from the UK and am flabbergasted that people don't understand the importance of farmers. I'm from a country with no farming: meat is very expensive, milk, produce not fresh. It's tough to afford quality food. Being able to eat healthy, good quality meat in the UK is something I take as a blessing!

This really. I think this is driven by a desire to build more houses, farmers livelihoods and food security be damned. I am furious that this change is being painted as 'needing to fill the funding hole' when it is transparently about forcing more land into development. Labour looks so so very disconnected from rural UK. I am hoping to join the farmers in London next week to show my support.

Because it is a business they are taxing not just a home. The business will have to stop, but in this case it means no food! They don’t have all that land just for a bloody garden!

Thank you 🚜

I think you're absolutely right. It's happened, there's no way back on it, and we have to accept the will of the people and do what we can from where we now are. Trump has been elected too, very probably making goods exports to the US much harder due to tariffs.

The point of Minford's plan (and he's a full-on brexitier, a respected professor of economics, and not an inconsequential spleen venter) although he himself said it would be painful, is absolutely to put cheaper food on all our tables and to make us better off in the long term.

Amongst all the chatter, the Farmers are threatening to go on strike. If all the city dwellers and uninterested think that's no problem, carry on. At about 14k profit to live on, the communities living close to the farmers will be eating a lot better than you.

Our farmers might find that they actually might make more profit from selling locally than jumping through the various hoops to feed you.

You are wrong! It directly affects my family, we are most certainly not “landed gentry” we are most definitely “working class”!

Thank you. The protest rally starts opposite Downing St on Whitehall at 11am on Tuesday 19th November (i.e. this coming Tuesday). Here is a link to the necessary information: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/london-rally-registration-schedule-and-timetable.418155/

Do people support this outcome?

It would appear so. There are plenty of replies on here laughing at the prospect of farmers having to sell up so I guess they apply that to all family run businesses. Otherwise that would be hypocritical if they celebrate the demise of farming but mourn the loss of the local deli.

And they probably think the ‘wrong sort of people’ work in factories anyway.

Farming does not generate enough income to pay the death tax bill, even over 10 years!

How does that work then

Farmer, if married, presuming widowed, presuming full nil rate bands are transferred has...

x2 £325K nil rate band = £650K

x2 £175k residence nil rate band = £350K, which can only be consumed to top up the difference on a primary residence passed to direct descendant.

£1 million agricultural relief.

Anything over the £2m total gets 20% tax on it - whilst technically the combination of the NRB and RNRB add up to a million, in practice if often doesn't due to the technicalities of the IHT rules.

the £800K over £2M in your model would attract a 20% tax or £160K to pay in one lump or £16K to find a year.....

More valuable farms, just add and add, as many just break even, where does that money come from??

How do farmers strike? Well the livestock farmers sell their 'meat stock' locally rather than sending their meat for low prices to the conglomerates or prime cuts to the posh restaurants. Obviously every day they will still be tending their stock, and they are surrounded by people ready to turn out to support them; and everyone does have a freezer, at least most of the poor do, when they can afford to run them.

Can't suggest much for the arable farmers other than a run on 'artisan' bread - but I'm sure thinking smarter than the 'smarty pants' isn't just found in just livestock farming areas.

Refusing to supply the supply chain, tipping the milk down the drain for example rather than letting the dairies take it - you will notice very quickly if they strike.

They will just withhold deliveries to the wholesalers, will cause chaos.

You will be bitching when the cost of your supermarket shop goes through the roof due to the decrease in family farms. Supermarkets have already stated food costs will need to rise due to government increasing minimum wage & national insurance payments. They will rise even further when food security is lost. We will be at the mercy of food imports.

They aren't. And that tax relief was also reduced to £1m in the budget

It'll be a bit like war-time rationing; just not for everbody. Maybe if some wfh public workers get their arses off their chairs they can maybe make a dent; but they won't have much chance. Better get your balcony set with a bit of parsley as you go to your hugely 'important' job.

Parsely kept a bit of green in the food of the London poor. It does well in winter.

I have sympathy for farmers - they have been treated badly for years and their mental health as a profession is poor. Those Tory trade deals that let in cheap, low welfare imports to compete with the high welfare produce that the UK makes mandatory for its own producers. Blaming farmers for wrecking the environment whilst giving them sod all in the way of subsidies to effect a nature friendly transition.

But large swathes of the public remember and feel disinclined to forgive the vote Brexit and vote Tory or reform billboards in fields on the last election.

And how does moaning about paying inheritance on assets over £1 million sound to the many people that have less than a few thousand of savings in the bank. Who are worrying about putting their heating on, or buying school shoes?

Everyone wants their difficulties to be acknowledged and understood. How do we achieve that? By talking I guess.

Nothing for communities?
Who clears the roads of snow round your way after heavy snowfall?
Who grows the crops and farms the livestock we all eat?
Who invites the local school children on an educational day at the farm?
Nothing for communities? Really?
There is some nonsense on this thread.

The majority of the public I'm sure would rather buy farm gate direct too, so why aren't you doing that already?

Funnily enough it's hard to produce food for people like you to eat @G1nT1n when they have others traipsing across land that doesn't belong to them! 🙄

You don't demand access to walk through business owners factories do you? 🤷🏻‍♀️
Farmers are literally trying to produce the food you put on your table 3 times every single day!

What part of that can you not comprehend?

You do realise in the majority of cases of snow clearance it is done by contractors who then bill the council?
To answer the who grows the crop etc...Well who takes the subsidy to grow the crop etc?