The child who confessed should get a reduced sentence?

[ElatedShark]

Two young men were killed in Bristol in a case of mistaken identity. 5 killers caught, only one, the youngest child, confessed.

I think he should be given less time than the others due to this and age and the fact prison rarely works to rehabilitate young offenders. It must be terrifying for him.

My heart also goes out to the victims families.
Partner thinks I'm being unreasonable. That's it really.

Here is the story for those wanting more info:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ym7g5dx50o

If OP is trying to drum up sympathy for the 'child' murderer, I am afraid it is not going well. Quite the opposite.

Why is it I seem to see people hating more on teen mum's/dads than they do teen killers.

Certainly seems that way doesn’t it? Granny or auntie, I’m betting. Close enough to think he’s a little angel, not close enough to know he’s a murdering little shit.

I bet you'd feel differently if it was your child that had been murdered.

Because poor parenting is generally at the root of youth crime.

I think he should be given less time than the others due to this and age and the fact prison rarely works to rehabilitate young offenders. It must be terrifying for him.

How can you even say that, two BOYS were brutally murdered by a gang of thugs, including what was a 14 year old at the time.. the fact he pleaded guilty should mean absolutely nothing IMO, he murdered a boy, who was just going about his day to day life not hurting anyone, I wonder how terrified they were at being set upon by at least two people stabbing them repeatedly.

They were all tooled up and they knew what they were doing, they all deserve to rot in prison.

Well, quite. It's easy to play the saint with the blood of somebody else's child.

Sorry but they killed someone. They can't come back to life so why should these people have their lives?

There should absolutely be reduced sentences for pleading guilty.

If there wasn’t then everyone would just deny it and take their chances (many still do) but with that comes a lot of wasted time and resources but more importantly it puts the loved ones or victims through massive strain and drags it out even longer.

Imagine being raped and having to give evidence and being made out to be a liar on the stand because your rapist is denying it etc.

There are serial killers who’ve killed people and they refuse to give out names. How awful for the families.

If they plead not guilty they will also have lots of people believing they must be innocent, which is even more of a slap in the face.

If they all pleaded guilty then it would have been way better for the loved ones.

We need reduced sentences as an incentive to admit the truth.

I am saddened that these kids have basically lost the rest of their lives now and they had so much they could have done with their lives but I do not feel sorry for them because at least they are still breathing.
They took away that privilege from 2 other kids and I can’t ever feel sorry for someone like that.

Just seen photos of those poor lads that were brutally murdered . They were children.
I have no sympathy with their murders

Op, if it was your son who had been murdered in this way, how would you feel? I can't really feel sympathy in this scenario, but I trust that sentencing guidelines will be applied accordingly. Those poor kids, just going out for pizza, completely innocent of any wrong doing.

@ElatedShark the victims were not young men, they were teenage boys. They were hunted down, chased and attacked by killers.

I have absolutely no sympathy for those responsible. If they are "terrified" of prison, maybe that will make them refect how terrified their victims must have been in the last few moments of their lives.

No, they all need to face the consequences of their actions. 30 years minimum, if I had my way

I think rape is a bad example to use. Does anyone even plead guilty to rape? Given the conviction rates, I don’t think anyone would be advised to please guilty to rape as they’d likely be found innocent. I haven’t googled it, there must be some guilty pleas but my guess is they for rape, they are few and far between.

As many have pointed out, two children were murdered brutally in the street. They were just living their lives, and a group of strangers attacked them for no reason. Mistaken identity, whatever. These boys had done nothing.

I have two boys. They come into my bed for a cuddle in the morning, they fight over the switch, they moan when they have to do their homework. I love them with every part of me, and someone loved these children just as much and a group of strangers planned and executed their murder for no reason.

Fuck. Those. Strangers.

The sentences given for violence let alone murder in this country are feeble. They should have all been revised upwards after we got rid the death penalty.

There should be a review of sentencing for sexual and violent offending. Prison should be required, not community sentencing for the low level stuff, and on offending that gets you life, let’s start with some minimums like 25 years, not 15.

Unfortunately his young age means his risk of reoffending will be considered higher. So a reduced sentence (other than that given for pleading guilty) will only ensure he is out of prison sooner. While prison is intended to be a deterrent, it is also an environment where those incarcerated can gain further education skills to secure work, and undertake programmes designed to help them understand how their behaviour and choices lead to decisions which put them in prison. And it's far better to attend to that in prison, where they can practice those skills with trained professionals rather than thrown back into society where they are trying to learn those skills around reintegrating. For some it also means they have 3 meals a day and a roof over their heads.

I do not think you would be of that opinion if it was your child or relative that was murdered in cold blood.,

Poor parenting? What the hell? I became a mother at 16 and I can assure you my children aren't going around stabbing anyone.
One of the naughtiest boys I know has a mother who gave birth to him at 40.

All I'm saying is people seem to hate teen parents and then go off an make excuses for teen killers just because "they're young" I mean what the hell?

'two young men' were not killed by a 'child'.

Two children were murdered brutally by a young person with a machete.

Shame on you for your language OP.

Can't imagine you'd be bleating ' Give him less time' and 'He must be terrified' if he'd hacked to death one of your family. Get a fucking grip 😡

Great for you, but statistically speaking kids with teen parents don’t do as well in life. Just like kids from single parent families. I’m a single parent, and that’s always been on my mind since becoming a single parent so I work damn hard to ensure my kids won’t be one of those statistics. So far, they’re doing extremely well. But, going by the numbers, they are still more at risk of failure than other kids. Just like kids with teen parents.

As a society, we shouldn’t be encouraging teen parents. This is off topic but since you keep bringing it up.

Oh, and no one is making excuses for this teen killer other than the OP. No one is doing what you’re saying they are.

Throw the book at the evil fucker and his mates. Imagine your teenage son went out for pizza with a friend and never came home because someone hacked him to death with a machete. And if that weren't bad enough, someone's heart is bleeding for his murderer because prison must be so terrifying for him.

Nope, I think they all should be strung up. Those poor boys who were killed must have been terrified and suffered a horrible painful death. I can’t help but think how I’d feel if it was my son (13 in 3 weeks) and I would want the perpetrators to suffer greatly.

The thing that people never want to deal with is that young teenage boys are impulsive and have a capacity for violence. Yes they are immature but they are dangerous. There is a strong argument to say that they are less likely to be rehabilitated because by the time they have caused tbh it murder then they are a real danger to the public. I would actually lock them up for longer. They are likely vastly more dangerous than a man in his 20s, 30s or 40s.