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Parliament considers ban on social media use for under 16s

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Errors · 14/11/2024 11:16

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/uk-government-considering-banning-under-16s-from-social-media-464318

Australia have already announced a ban that should come in to effect around 12 months after the legislation goes through:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzd62g1r3o.amp

I for one think this is a great idea. I know there are many that will disagree with me. It seems to be well documented at this stage just how damaging social media can be on young children and drastic measures are needed

A young girl using a smartphone

Australia plans social media ban for under-16s - BBC News

The government says it wants to mitigate the "harm" social media is inflicting on children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzd62g1r3o.amp

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piscofrisco · 14/11/2024 12:28

Excellent idea. Horse has already bolted of course, but I think it would empower parents a bit more to say no to smartphones. And schools etc-part of the problem for my now late teens is that from yr 7 they needed a smart phone for bloody quizzes and lessons at school. I always thought that was a completely ridiculous idea.

Errors · 14/11/2024 12:28

Bangwam1 · 14/11/2024 12:25

Boomers are the ones creating these insane laws, they’re woefully out of touch.

What parents and their children do is between them. Allowing governments to do things like this is a very slippery slope.

There are plenty of laws in place that can come between ‘what parents and their children do’ for the sole reason of protecting children from harm.
I don’t see this as being any different.

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FeralWoman · 14/11/2024 12:29

I've told DD who is in yr 11 that i may let her have a smart phone when she goes to college, but there will be rules on its use.

@WinterBones How old is college? Does college mean university? If she’s finished high school and is 18yo then good luck with controlling her! Pretty sure you’d have no legal right to do that.

ImNoSuperman · 14/11/2024 12:30

Never happen. Too many parents haven't got a clue what their children are doing online (and blame everyone else for it), they won't monitor it even if it's illegal.

Chowtime · 14/11/2024 12:30

Doesn't go far enough. Both men and under 16s should be banned.

Errors · 14/11/2024 12:31

Chowtime · 14/11/2024 12:30

Doesn't go far enough. Both men and under 16s should be banned.

Wtf 😂😂

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MichaelAndEagle · 14/11/2024 12:31

I think it being illegal would make parents more confident about enforcing the rules, and also it indicates a change in the acceptability.
I think its the right thing to do even if it can't be enforced perfectly from day one.
You can't let perfect be the enemy of good with these things, its best to be making progress and culture changes take a long time, think attitudes to smoking around children for example or seat belts.

Wordau · 14/11/2024 12:31

ImNoSuperman · 14/11/2024 12:30

Never happen. Too many parents haven't got a clue what their children are doing online (and blame everyone else for it), they won't monitor it even if it's illegal.

Yeah I've seen this at school - give 10yos WhatsApp and Snapchat with zero restrictions then complain about the groups they are added to and content they're shown by other children at school... To the school.

AndCoronets · 14/11/2024 12:32

FeralWoman · 14/11/2024 12:11

Australian here. The government is planning to make social media companies responsible for implementing technology to verify the age of the user. For this to be effective every single person here will have to have their age verified otherwise you could be an under 16 lying.

That’s going to involve either handing over personal details like DOB, address, driver’s licence number, etc to social media giants and expecting to keep it safe, or having some sort of facial ID. That’s bullshit.

The government is starting to realise that Australians don’t support this and adults don’t want to have to hand over personal details just to watch a video on YouTube, because they’re classing it as social media too.

Things like Discord, Roblox, etc will all have age bans. Not just the obvious social media.

The government has talked about banning VPNs in Australia.

Don’t get me started in the Misinformation and Disinformation bill that’s before parliament at the moment. Basically Australians will face punishment for saying anything negative about anyone online. We won’t be allowed to call our politicians a bunch of dickheads. That’s bloody unAustralian.

As far as I’m concerned they can fuck off with their nanny state bullshit.

Teenagers are sneaky. They’ll get onto social media if they really want to regardless of what the government says.

Sounding very much like a totalitarian state. This is a slippery slope.

Bangwam1 · 14/11/2024 12:32

BreakOutBun · 14/11/2024 12:27

Also to be fair to boomers they did actually invent the internet! 😂

They started it. Let’s be honest, the net as we know it was built by genx/millenials

Tattletwat · 14/11/2024 12:32

It's a good idea in principle.

But why do we keep introducing laws we have no intention of enforcing it's kinda pointless.

And lots of parents won't give a shit anyway. Look at electric scooters lots of kids have them, pretty much illegal everywhere except on your own land.

x2boys · 14/11/2024 12:32

Chowtime · 14/11/2024 12:30

Doesn't go far enough. Both men and under 16s should be banned.

🙄🙄🙄

Wordau · 14/11/2024 12:33

piscofrisco · 14/11/2024 12:28

Excellent idea. Horse has already bolted of course, but I think it would empower parents a bit more to say no to smartphones. And schools etc-part of the problem for my now late teens is that from yr 7 they needed a smart phone for bloody quizzes and lessons at school. I always thought that was a completely ridiculous idea.

Yeah that is ridiculous and changing I hope. It's not on to expect every child to have a smartphone.

Ohthatsabitshit · 14/11/2024 12:33

What effect do you imagine “no social media” would have?

User135644 · 14/11/2024 12:34

Bangwam1 · 14/11/2024 12:15

It’s really funny that boomers think they’ll be able to enforce it. There are numerous ways to break this law in about 3 minutes and you best believe the kids know how

Then enforce the law.

Tattletwat · 14/11/2024 12:34

Bangwam1 · 14/11/2024 12:20

Australia is thinking of banning VPNs? I saw how tyrannical the country was during covid and now they’re banning the net (essentially) and important tech tools like VPNs. What a place.

Lots of company's use VPNs a load of people will not be able to work.

SnapdragonToadflax · 14/11/2024 12:35

I think it's an excellent idea. Of course there will be ways to get around it, and some parents won't give a shit, but even the idea that it's socially unacceptable will help parents to hold firm.

I am dreading my six year old getting to the age where he's interested in social media. I really hope something has been enacted by then.

lilythesheep · 14/11/2024 12:36

I think a lot of the benefit of this would be to make it socially normal for parents to say to their children “no you can’t have TikTok”. At the moment half the threads on here about this have people saying “I would like to keep my child off social media but all their friends are on it and so I feel I’m being unreasonable in saying no”. Of course it is open to people circumventing any ID check but it would empower parents to set firmer boundaries with their young teens. After all, young teens get around age related bans on smoking and drinking but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea to have those restrictions.

WinterBones · 14/11/2024 12:37

FeralWoman · 14/11/2024 12:29

I've told DD who is in yr 11 that i may let her have a smart phone when she goes to college, but there will be rules on its use.

@WinterBones How old is college? Does college mean university? If she’s finished high school and is 18yo then good luck with controlling her! Pretty sure you’d have no legal right to do that.

clearly you're not in the uk. 'College' here is education yr 12/13, so she'll be 16.

SnapdragonToadflax · 14/11/2024 12:37

piscofrisco · 14/11/2024 12:28

Excellent idea. Horse has already bolted of course, but I think it would empower parents a bit more to say no to smartphones. And schools etc-part of the problem for my now late teens is that from yr 7 they needed a smart phone for bloody quizzes and lessons at school. I always thought that was a completely ridiculous idea.

I'm hoping parental pressure will stop schools requiring phones in secondary school. As you say, it's ridiculous - how can they expect teenagers to control their phone use when they need to have them on in lessons. I wouldn't be able to resist checking social media, let alone a 13 year old.

Wordau · 14/11/2024 12:38

Ohthatsabitshit · 14/11/2024 12:33

What effect do you imagine “no social media” would have?

It's been shown to have a link to poor mental health, and impacting emotional regulation and maturity. Excessive use can cause sleep issues. And generally it prevents children from doing other, healthier activities if they develop a reliance on it. And of course is a route for bullying.

So I would hope all of those things would improve for some children.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/social-media-teen-mental-health-a-parents-guide#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20research%20study,including%20depression%20and%20anxiety%20symptoms.

two teenage girls in their room on their phones, representing how social media can affect teens' mental health

How Social Media Affects Your Teen’s Mental Health: A Parent’s Guide

A 2023 U.S. Surgeon General advisory cited growing concerns that social media use impacts young people’s mental health. Yale experts offer advice to parents.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/social-media-teen-mental-health-a-parents-guide#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20research%20study,including%20depression%20and%20anxiety%20symptoms.

Bangwam1 · 14/11/2024 12:38

User135644 · 14/11/2024 12:34

Then enforce the law.

Whenever theres censorship or control enforced, something is developed to get around it. Nature of the tech world since forever.

Police and governments could never keep up

User135644 · 14/11/2024 12:39

Theunamedcat · 14/11/2024 12:25

But what would count as proper age verification? An id card? Who would sign that? Someone busy?

If you want to get a provisional driver license and apply online you need photo id verification.

Sauvblonk · 14/11/2024 12:39

FeralWoman · 14/11/2024 12:11

Australian here. The government is planning to make social media companies responsible for implementing technology to verify the age of the user. For this to be effective every single person here will have to have their age verified otherwise you could be an under 16 lying.

That’s going to involve either handing over personal details like DOB, address, driver’s licence number, etc to social media giants and expecting to keep it safe, or having some sort of facial ID. That’s bullshit.

The government is starting to realise that Australians don’t support this and adults don’t want to have to hand over personal details just to watch a video on YouTube, because they’re classing it as social media too.

Things like Discord, Roblox, etc will all have age bans. Not just the obvious social media.

The government has talked about banning VPNs in Australia.

Don’t get me started in the Misinformation and Disinformation bill that’s before parliament at the moment. Basically Australians will face punishment for saying anything negative about anyone online. We won’t be allowed to call our politicians a bunch of dickheads. That’s bloody unAustralian.

As far as I’m concerned they can fuck off with their nanny state bullshit.

Teenagers are sneaky. They’ll get onto social media if they really want to regardless of what the government says.

Also here in Australia.

Yes, it's a lovely idea to ban phones and social media for under 16s. I agree completely in principle.

However, I will not agree to handing over even more of my personal data to the big tech companies. How will they verify age? Will we have to send Zuckerberg and Musk copies of our passports? No thank you.

Combattingthemoaners · 14/11/2024 12:39

I want to know how it’s going to be enforced. I’ve said it for years you should have to have some form of license to access the internet. In the same way you need ID for alcohol you would need your ID to access certain content or sites. It may also prevent people posting absolute vitriol online if they know their content is linked to their ID. We are all being monitored anyway! So the Big Brother argument is limited. This would require an international approach to internet safety which does not look likely any time soon.