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AIBU to be ill?

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unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 09:36

Backstory: I have a chronic illness which has been diagnosed for almost a decade. For transparency, it's endometriosis - I am sometimes bedbound with it and suffer a lot of pain and fatigue. I have had two surgeries and am on the pill as treatment but obviously these can only manage symptoms.

My SIL gave birth to my nephew just before my diagnosis. At the time I was still fairly functioning, except I wasn't really well enough to travel long distances (I couldn't make it to MIL's funeral because of a flare). We built a good relationship with the baby/toddler. She appointed us as his guardians. We visited them for weekends during the holidays (two hour journey). Sometimes they would visit us but just for the afternoon.

Over COVID my condition got worse. My mum went into hospital in 2021 and found out she had stage four secondary cancer. She was given six months but passed away three months later. She wanted a non-funeral, so we did a cremation with her closest two sisters, my uncle, me and DH present. We invited SIL and her partner but they didn't come.

I then had to sort out my mum's small estate (no siblings) and sell her house. So that year was very stressful and my illness got worse again. We tried to make it over to SIL for Xmas but it was too much for me. She was furious about this and when we called her she sat in silence and tears before screaming at us because our nephew was disappointed. I apologised a lot and things seemed to be ok afterwards. Nephew is now 7 and can understand reasons why people have to cancel things etc.

Last year, I had other health problems including a full gastro investigation due to cancer markers and a breast cancer scare which put me on the two week pathway. We tried to visit again but my body kept failing me. I was also getting anxiety about letting my nephew down which made it worse. A couple of times DH went to visit by himself. Finally, we meant to go during last October but couldn't because of floods in our area. SIL said it was fine, but a day later DH's dad phoned him and yelled down the phone that we needed to get our act together and stop disappointing my nephew. DH does not get on with his dad as he's xenophobic/racist and has never really shown love for him.

DH was angry, and upset after the phone call. I called SIL and told her again how I take full responsibility for all this despite being ill, I am trying so hard to manage my symptoms and do better but DH is just trying to balance everyone and it's not fair to tell him to fix it. I said I thought she understood that I was ill.She raised her voice and went into a rage at me. She said:

-No, I don't understand at all.
-You need to listen and you need to look long and hard at yourself and how everyone else sees you.
-You need to fucking sort it out, fucking sort yourself out, I don't care.

When I tried to calmly get a word in she just kept screaming. She said the previous Xmas I had treated them with huge disrespect and I disrespect everyone constantly.
She then told me I had always been like this, that I manipulate people, that I manipulate DH She said 'don't you dare tell me it's all in my head, don't ever say that to any of my family, or DH.' I asked what she meant and she said I put things in his head. She said I was the reason DH didn't visit his DM enough when she had cancer (he was actually avoiding his DF, it was a 5 hour journey and we had no car, and his relationship with his parents has been distant for a long time, they never called him, never visited ever since he moved away to uni etc - none of these things are anything to do with me).

DH overheard what SIL said and took the phone from me. She kept talking about me to him. For some reason she wasn't finished destroying me. She said I was spoiled, immature and she was convinced I'm lying about being ill because 'my symptoms are always different' (they're not, I just have a lot of symptoms). She said she hates me coming to stay because I sometimes bring my own food (just different bread or milk because I have dietary intolerances) and she finds it very rude and offensive.DH said she had no empathy and hung up.

She never approached to mend things even though we sent apologies for our part. She was visiting our town a few months later and asked to meet DH but did not apologise and just said (shouted) the same things she had said on the phone. DH eventually walked away.

Since then we have gradually been able to speak to SIL's partner (she knows about it) and have video calls with my nephew. SIL's partner seems to think she has overreacted but doesn't know what else to do about it. The big fallout was a year ago and she hasn't spoken a word to me or been on a call since that time.

I feel like she has always hated me even before I got ill, but we used to get along and she would send nice messages for my birthday etc so I feel it's probably my fault and I fucked up. Their dad also has several illnesses so I thought that kind of thing was understood but they've never seemed to grasp it with my stuff.

I will also add that we planned to have our own children but my endometriosis gave me fertility issues and we decided not to pursue IVF when we were offered it because I am now almost 40 and it seemed a big ordeal to go through. SIL knows this and that our relationship with our nephew has been both wonderful and sad knowing we can't have our own child.

Anyway, apologies for the long post but I guess I'm just asking if IABU? At this point I don't know if we'll ever see my nephew in person again.

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ThatTidyCrab · 11/11/2024 10:57

She's a nasty piece of work, isn't she? You also suggest that there's a difficult dynamic in your DH's family and some of this may have something to do with that.

Aside from that, I wanted to add that I've got severe endo too (have had surgeries, tried all the hormone treatments). It's very, very difficult. Trying to get people to understand what it's like is really challenging, and to some extent I get it - unless you have a disease like this, it's very difficult to understand that you can have surgery and not be fixed, take all the medications but still not really have it under control, or that it can flare up with no warning and put you out of action for days. I also find it really difficult to travel any distance, with the unpredictable bowel symptoms, the IC, the pain I get just from the travel, the worry about toilets and strange food. My mother lives quite some distance and repeatedly asks when I'm going to visit despite being repeatedly told I can't do it (and even after the last time she was here, I had a massive pain flare and she was stood outside the bathroom banging on the door and asking what was going on when I was crying on the toilet, still persists in not getting it). But your SIL is being a complete dick about it.

I saw someone mentioned stately homes thread, would recommend.

unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:01

museumum · 11/11/2024 10:39

your husband's family sounds quite disfunctional and sil is taking this out on you rather than face reality. Did i understand right that your dh didn't see much of his dying mother because he was avoiding his father? that's very disfunctional, not your fault but how does your sil not know this? do your dh and his sister not talk about their df? are they not on the same page? i can see why she would be angry with your dh but she does seem to be taking it out on you rather then him.

Yes, he doesn't get on with his father as his father makes him feel small, berates him for things etc. FIL has never said 'i love you' or 'i'm proud of you,' in recent memory to him. Aside from that, SIL also only visited MIL twice at the time (once was with her partner, nephew and DH). it was a very aggressive cancer and happened very quickly so there weren't drawn out months of visits. Additionally his DM, while a lovely and kind woman, was also emotionally distant and as a family they just never really visited each other if that makes sense? MIL and FIL never called us/DH.

And no, SIL and DH do not talk about family stuff or anything really. He has tried to talk about stuff with his father but she just does not respond. As in, he will say something and she just kind of shrugs. Whenever we called them she also would only speak about her work and nephew. Never asked about DH's work/life/anything.

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unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:02

Mnetcurious · 11/11/2024 10:51

I can’t understand how anyone has voted yabu - you’re not. It sounds like this is all your SIL’s issue and you’re trying your very best under difficult circumstances. The only thing you can do is accept that she doesn’t operate normally and continue to try your best for a relationship with your nephew where possible.

Thank you. I pretty much have figured this but it's good to know I'm not insane!

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OAPapparently · 11/11/2024 11:03

She sounds awful. Only happy if everything is about her and her little family.
Ive encountered similar people that gaslight others about their health. I don’t know what motivates it, but I would suspect a twisted form of jealousy, because you are getting the attention from your DH.
I would take a massive step back from her. She’s shown you she doesn’t care about you with her words, you are under no obligation to care about her and jump to her tune.

unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:05

ThatTidyCrab · 11/11/2024 10:57

She's a nasty piece of work, isn't she? You also suggest that there's a difficult dynamic in your DH's family and some of this may have something to do with that.

Aside from that, I wanted to add that I've got severe endo too (have had surgeries, tried all the hormone treatments). It's very, very difficult. Trying to get people to understand what it's like is really challenging, and to some extent I get it - unless you have a disease like this, it's very difficult to understand that you can have surgery and not be fixed, take all the medications but still not really have it under control, or that it can flare up with no warning and put you out of action for days. I also find it really difficult to travel any distance, with the unpredictable bowel symptoms, the IC, the pain I get just from the travel, the worry about toilets and strange food. My mother lives quite some distance and repeatedly asks when I'm going to visit despite being repeatedly told I can't do it (and even after the last time she was here, I had a massive pain flare and she was stood outside the bathroom banging on the door and asking what was going on when I was crying on the toilet, still persists in not getting it). But your SIL is being a complete dick about it.

I saw someone mentioned stately homes thread, would recommend.

Yes, I mean she's actually very quiet/reserved normally but then has blown up with rage with this situation.

I think it is difficult for people to understand but all I've ever asked is people listen and believe me. I would never respond in the same way if she was ill and we couldn't see our nephew. She seems to think because it has such a wide range of symptoms I must be making it up. I wish!

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FictionalCharacter · 11/11/2024 11:07

SIL and FIL sound like absolutely foul people.
Good on your DH for standing up for you.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 11/11/2024 11:15

@unreasonableendo did you used to see your husbands nephew frequently?? i genuinely do not believe he is devastated at not seeing you for three years?? am I adding this up correctly? did you travel to them previously? how many times has sil travelled to visit her brother and you?? does she realised how much your hubby dislikes his father? his father has no right to shout at you. he should be speaking to his son!

Lobelia123 · 11/11/2024 11:22

You have a chronic illness and it sounds like you've suffered through many debilitating episodes. I can only say, it can be exhausting for everyone around you, as well as for you as the poor person trying to deal with it and get through the day. I know from my mums chronic condition, that sometimes it can feel like it becomes the dominant factor in every single catch up or family occasion, it starts to dominate everything and you feel like anyone elses priorities, news etc gets overshadowed by it. Maybe this is what your SIL feels? Maybe she is resentful of the attention you get and how 'you always seem to have something going on when we want to do something so that the attention moves from the child or the holiday firmly back to you'. (Im putting this as a suggestion of how she may be feeling.) She obviously doesnt have the empathy or the self awareness to check herself and put herslf in your shoes - so she blew up, and probably now she feels deeply ashamed so is just trying to brazen her way through it so she doesnt have to admit she was a plonker. I dont have any advice, but I just recognise the scenario from our own family. Hugs xxx

ThatTidyCrab · 11/11/2024 11:22

@unreasonableendo it really does seem like a bizarre reaction!! I can understand a bit of disappointment. But to lose your temper over it is just really strange. It makes me wonder if there's something else going on because she's implying that you're doing this deliberately to cause difficulties in the family. And honestly, small children are not that bothered about relatives they don't see that often. They move on from their disappointment far quicker than adults do.

unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:36

FictionalCharacter · 11/11/2024 11:07

SIL and FIL sound like absolutely foul people.
Good on your DH for standing up for you.

Yeah. He's been really supportive!

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unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:40

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 11/11/2024 11:15

@unreasonableendo did you used to see your husbands nephew frequently?? i genuinely do not believe he is devastated at not seeing you for three years?? am I adding this up correctly? did you travel to them previously? how many times has sil travelled to visit her brother and you?? does she realised how much your hubby dislikes his father? his father has no right to shout at you. he should be speaking to his son!

We have only ever seen him in person three times a year at most. Usually us visiting them but they have come here once or twice. She doesn't seem to acknowledge the issues between DH and FIL at all. DH has said 'he's never said he's proud of me' and she's said 'That's silly, of course he is.'

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fearfulworrier · 11/11/2024 11:44

I have Crohn’s and I think that people can be a bit understanding but eventually get fed up with all the times I cancel and they start to not understand anymore if that makes sense. I think having a chronic illness is a pretty lonely place to be but for me I think well the people I still have around me are the one I love and care for so fuck everyone else. I’ve never had issues with family and can understand why that would be so hurtful but at the end of the day if you are sick you are sick nothing you can do about it. When I am well I give 100% and I think that makes up for times when I am in a flare. People know that I’m not taking the piss. Sounds to me like when u can be there u are there, not much else u can do.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 11/11/2024 11:46

I’d tell her and the dad to fuck off and never see or speak to either of them again. Sad about your nephew of course but if you may never see him again anyway it won’t make much difference will it

Codlingmoths · 11/11/2024 11:52

It is not your fault.
She is batshit.
it is not your fault.
she is both batshit and downright nasty
it is not your fault. She is batshit, emotionally incapable and downright nasty.
a chronic illness is enough to deal with. You do not want her in your life any more than you have to. Please please please do not apologise again or put up with this shit. It would be far more appropriate and fair to call her and scream down the phone WE’VE BEEN DEALING WITH SO MUCH AND HOW DARE YOU HAVE A GO AT DH FOR NOT SEEING HIS DAD, YOU NEVER SAID A SINGLE THING ABOUT ME STRUGGLING WITH MY MUM WHO WAS KIND TO DH WHICH YOUR DAD NEVER WAS, IVE BEEN VERY UNWELL AND IF YOURE EVER UNWELL DONT PHONE US, IF YOU DO I’LL JUST REMIND YOU WHAT A SHIT PERSON YOU ARE AS THATS HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE. Obviously you won’t but it would be fair!! I’m glad your dh has your back.

unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:54

Lobelia123 · 11/11/2024 11:22

You have a chronic illness and it sounds like you've suffered through many debilitating episodes. I can only say, it can be exhausting for everyone around you, as well as for you as the poor person trying to deal with it and get through the day. I know from my mums chronic condition, that sometimes it can feel like it becomes the dominant factor in every single catch up or family occasion, it starts to dominate everything and you feel like anyone elses priorities, news etc gets overshadowed by it. Maybe this is what your SIL feels? Maybe she is resentful of the attention you get and how 'you always seem to have something going on when we want to do something so that the attention moves from the child or the holiday firmly back to you'. (Im putting this as a suggestion of how she may be feeling.) She obviously doesnt have the empathy or the self awareness to check herself and put herslf in your shoes - so she blew up, and probably now she feels deeply ashamed so is just trying to brazen her way through it so she doesnt have to admit she was a plonker. I dont have any advice, but I just recognise the scenario from our own family. Hugs xxx

I thought so too, but on reflection honestly she has never asked about my wellbeing or DH's and only updates us with her news on calls. Won't even ask about DH's work. If DH volunteers info 'well I've done this/that at work' she doesn't respond to say 'oh cool,' or 'that sucks.' she doesn't say anything. Silence and then she'll tell us something else about what they've been doing. I know it sounds weird. It is weird. The only subject is ever nephew or what is happening at her work. If we say 'oh we painted the living room X colour' she will literally say nothing!

I don't get attention from anyone. I don't talk about my illness day to day unless I mention something big like an upcoming surgery or tests. Obviously my DM died and I don't have any other close family, my own father died when I was 21. DH also doesn't have wider family. Xmas would just be him, me, SIL, partner and nephew. Then SIL and family would go to see FIL (we were never invited anyway). So there are no real family occasions as such. MIL's side of the family are dead and FIL's side are estranged from him due to inheritance drama and other stuff. Another reason I've cancelled things is because I don't want to centre myself and have people needing to cater to me when I'm ill.

So I don't know why she'd feel that way, but who knows what's going on in her head really!

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unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:55

fearfulworrier · 11/11/2024 11:44

I have Crohn’s and I think that people can be a bit understanding but eventually get fed up with all the times I cancel and they start to not understand anymore if that makes sense. I think having a chronic illness is a pretty lonely place to be but for me I think well the people I still have around me are the one I love and care for so fuck everyone else. I’ve never had issues with family and can understand why that would be so hurtful but at the end of the day if you are sick you are sick nothing you can do about it. When I am well I give 100% and I think that makes up for times when I am in a flare. People know that I’m not taking the piss. Sounds to me like when u can be there u are there, not much else u can do.

Yeah, I think they understand until you don't start getting magically better and then it's game over!

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unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:56

ThatsNotMyTeen · 11/11/2024 11:46

I’d tell her and the dad to fuck off and never see or speak to either of them again. Sad about your nephew of course but if you may never see him again anyway it won’t make much difference will it

Honestly sometimes DH has been close to doing this! That was pretty much his reaction at the beginning.

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unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 11:59

Codlingmoths · 11/11/2024 11:52

It is not your fault.
She is batshit.
it is not your fault.
she is both batshit and downright nasty
it is not your fault. She is batshit, emotionally incapable and downright nasty.
a chronic illness is enough to deal with. You do not want her in your life any more than you have to. Please please please do not apologise again or put up with this shit. It would be far more appropriate and fair to call her and scream down the phone WE’VE BEEN DEALING WITH SO MUCH AND HOW DARE YOU HAVE A GO AT DH FOR NOT SEEING HIS DAD, YOU NEVER SAID A SINGLE THING ABOUT ME STRUGGLING WITH MY MUM WHO WAS KIND TO DH WHICH YOUR DAD NEVER WAS, IVE BEEN VERY UNWELL AND IF YOURE EVER UNWELL DONT PHONE US, IF YOU DO I’LL JUST REMIND YOU WHAT A SHIT PERSON YOU ARE AS THATS HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE. Obviously you won’t but it would be fair!! I’m glad your dh has your back.

Thank you. Really I've wanted to say this the whole time! Occasionally I still get angry and upset about it. We did send carefully worded messages at the time to say we were not happy with the language used and thought it was completely cruel and uncalled for. Obviously heard nothing in response no matter how much we tried to talk it out.

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Renamed · 11/11/2024 12:02

It’s so completely unreasonable that I think you will never get to the bottom of it. All you can do is to avoid her as much as possible while keeping up contact with your nephew (if you want to do that).

unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 12:03

I also wanted to mention that we have no other children in our lives and no other chances with nieces or nephews so that's why it's especially hard because we do still love children. All of our friends are childfree!

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Clarice99 · 11/11/2024 12:05

YANBU at all. SIL sounds like a nasty piece of work, so does FIL.

I'd be cutting people like that out of my life, nephew or no nephew.

Having a chronic illness is horrible. Having people in your life who have zero compassion just adds another negative layer, one that you do not need, or deserve. We don't choose to be chronically unwell, but you do have a choice to cut people like that out of your life.

LifeExperience · 11/11/2024 12:06

You and dh need to stop tiptoeing around her verbal abuse and tell her in no uncertain terms that she either treats you and dh with respect or you will end the relationship. It's sad for your nephew, but no one, especially with a chronic illness, should put up with verbal abuse and toxic relationships.

The same with your fil--he either learns to deal respectfully with both of you or the relationship is over. You have the power to end the abuse; use it.

TheJones · 11/11/2024 12:07

You need to walk away. Your DH can meet them if he wants on their turf but that’s it now. Your SIL is expecting to much, I understand the nephew was disappointed but DH should have gone or you need to have not agreed to anything based on your health. I’d walk away now- no contact , it’s finished.

unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 12:09

Clarice99 · 11/11/2024 12:05

YANBU at all. SIL sounds like a nasty piece of work, so does FIL.

I'd be cutting people like that out of my life, nephew or no nephew.

Having a chronic illness is horrible. Having people in your life who have zero compassion just adds another negative layer, one that you do not need, or deserve. We don't choose to be chronically unwell, but you do have a choice to cut people like that out of your life.

This is basically DH's stance, although he adores his nephew he has found this very difficult and it's actually been better since SIL stopped talking to him. Like he doesn't have to deal with her at all. I think he has no desire to patch it up now because he feels he's made enough effort and she won't change. Deep down I know this.

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unreasonableendo · 11/11/2024 12:12

LifeExperience · 11/11/2024 12:06

You and dh need to stop tiptoeing around her verbal abuse and tell her in no uncertain terms that she either treats you and dh with respect or you will end the relationship. It's sad for your nephew, but no one, especially with a chronic illness, should put up with verbal abuse and toxic relationships.

The same with your fil--he either learns to deal respectfully with both of you or the relationship is over. You have the power to end the abuse; use it.

Thank you. DH has actually said to her in emails that it's a hard line and he won't stand for the disrespect - this resulted in her conceding to meeting him to 'talk' where she just repeated the same things and lost her mind a little (in public).

So really we know it's a dead end but sometimes it's just hard to admit that. I have found myself surprisingly shocked and upset that she simply won't apologise at all.

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