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Nursery renting out space to public

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Hocuspoc · 07/11/2024 23:25

The nursery out little one attends recently started renting out space to public (different types of classes, most are babies related but not exclusively).
The reason why I find this uncomfortable is that they do it during their working hours !! - while the little ones are there.
The room they rent out is not separate to the area where the nursery operates - quite the opposite - it is just next to the rooms where the kids are.
It is also the same room where the little ones spend time for some part od the day (obviously not at the same time as the classes to the public).

Am I being unreasonable here? This just doesn't sit well with me. Do other nurseries do this?
I feel a nursery should primarily be a safe space for children attending and I don't know about letting people off the streets in - even if they are pre-registered..
Even minor things like a possibility of them leaving things behind (e.g. allergy wise food bits, or choking hazards)...

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Amyknows · 08/11/2024 14:15

Craftymam · 07/11/2024 23:45

Our nursery is like Fort Knox and it’s reassuring. I wouldn’t be happy with that set up you describe.

Same. The parents at ours wouldn't accept this.

NewName24 · 08/11/2024 18:38

I mean it's the same as if I left him with a polite stranger that I previously IDd in a random shopping mall!!

It really really isn't. I mean, we can disagree on whether you think the Nursery will have risk assessed this, but that sentence is just nonsense. You aren't leaving your child with strangers, you are leaving them with staff.

Hundreds of Nurseries up and down the country are in building that are shared - be that Churches, Community Centres, Children's Centres, Soft play places, or anywhere else. If you don't trust that the staff have mitigated any perceived risk, then absolutely take him somewhere else, or report to OFSTED if you think it is dangerous, but that sentence is just ridiculous.

Janedoe82 · 08/11/2024 19:15

Hocuspoc · 08/11/2024 00:23

What's your point - let's keep children away from parents and relatives? How is this statistics of yours relevant to a nursery setting?
You think they should let a child leave with a stranger and not thier parent at the end of the day perhaps because 'childern are at most risk from a parent' ?!
Really what is the point you were trying to make?

My point is you are focussing on a shared space being a risk- oblivious to the fact this is rarely the case and the actual biggest risk to your child is much more likely to be a family member! Get a grip!

RedRobyn2021 · 08/11/2024 20:32

My daughters preschool is like this because it's in a village hall.

They have a locked door between the hall and the rooms rented for the preschool

The only thing I would say is our preschool has refused to budge on sharing toilets with the general public, due to safety guarding. So perhaps something for you to consider

Hocuspoc · 08/11/2024 22:17

Janedoe82 · 08/11/2024 19:15

My point is you are focussing on a shared space being a risk- oblivious to the fact this is rarely the case and the actual biggest risk to your child is much more likely to be a family member! Get a grip!

Excuse me but are you on glue or something? I really don't want to be rude and I am sorry if you had a family trauma such that you describe. I really acknowledge the danger that you are describing and it is a serious matter, but your logic is really allover the place. I am not sure how you generally manage to get your points across but you should really sit and think hard before you try...

Something like - imagine if I asked here if it's normal that my gym has no locks on the lockers and anyone from the street can come in any time. And you tell me I should get a grip and focus on where I keep my valuables at home instead, because people are much more likely to be robbed at home than at the gym. Not sure if you see my point here - even if people are more likely to be robbed at home, that doesn't make it ok or safe to leave your purse in an unlocked locker accessible to public. It is a different problem - different topic. You probably don't get it, but I tried at least...

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Hocuspoc · 08/11/2024 22:21

doodleschnoodle · 08/11/2024 13:04

Interesting one. The after school club here use a third-party venue, and no one else is allowed to use the building when they are in it, as part of their safeguarding rules. I don't know if those are just what the after-school club has mandated themselves or if that's guidance they've received from somewhere

I admit I would be I uncomfortable too. Our nursery is hot on security, so door is always locked, the building is secure, etc. If there is no lock, then that would be a safeguarding risk in my view. When this class is running, is the building secure? Or is the front door unlocked to allow participants entry?

The entrance is locked, anyone who goes in will be IDs, but the space is shared - corridor, toilets, and room is just there in the middle of of where all other children rooms are...

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Hankunamatata · 08/11/2024 22:21

Daycare iv used had locked main doors and you have to be buzzed in

Hocuspoc · 08/11/2024 22:24

NewName24 · 08/11/2024 18:38

I mean it's the same as if I left him with a polite stranger that I previously IDd in a random shopping mall!!

It really really isn't. I mean, we can disagree on whether you think the Nursery will have risk assessed this, but that sentence is just nonsense. You aren't leaving your child with strangers, you are leaving them with staff.

Hundreds of Nurseries up and down the country are in building that are shared - be that Churches, Community Centres, Children's Centres, Soft play places, or anywhere else. If you don't trust that the staff have mitigated any perceived risk, then absolutely take him somewhere else, or report to OFSTED if you think it is dangerous, but that sentence is just ridiculous.

Ok, I definitely overreacted here, I guess I was just trying to say how showing ID at the nursery door is really not doing much in terms of safety... Once someone is in they are free to roam (to get to their room yes, but can roam around if they choose to)

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skyandocean · 08/11/2024 22:30

There's no way my child's nursery would do this, absolutely not. It's very important for children to have that safe space in nursery.
If I were you, look elsewhere for nursery places.

Janedoe82 · 08/11/2024 22:52

Hocuspoc · 08/11/2024 22:17

Excuse me but are you on glue or something? I really don't want to be rude and I am sorry if you had a family trauma such that you describe. I really acknowledge the danger that you are describing and it is a serious matter, but your logic is really allover the place. I am not sure how you generally manage to get your points across but you should really sit and think hard before you try...

Something like - imagine if I asked here if it's normal that my gym has no locks on the lockers and anyone from the street can come in any time. And you tell me I should get a grip and focus on where I keep my valuables at home instead, because people are much more likely to be robbed at home than at the gym. Not sure if you see my point here - even if people are more likely to be robbed at home, that doesn't make it ok or safe to leave your purse in an unlocked locker accessible to public. It is a different problem - different topic. You probably don't get it, but I tried at least...

I think you are a bit unhinged and out of touch with reality.

Your child will be perfectly safe in a nursery that is within a shared space. In fact it is the basis of a family centre or community centre.

You have been told that childcare settings are regulated and risk assessed but seem to be unable to understand this and balance risk yourself.

Janedoe82 · 08/11/2024 22:56

skyandocean · 08/11/2024 22:30

There's no way my child's nursery would do this, absolutely not. It's very important for children to have that safe space in nursery.
If I were you, look elsewhere for nursery places.

They aren’t in the same room! Just the same building!!

Hocuspoc · 08/11/2024 23:13

Janedoe82 · 08/11/2024 22:52

I think you are a bit unhinged and out of touch with reality.

Your child will be perfectly safe in a nursery that is within a shared space. In fact it is the basis of a family centre or community centre.

You have been told that childcare settings are regulated and risk assessed but seem to be unable to understand this and balance risk yourself.

You don't seem to understand that people have different threshold for risk. What may be acceptable to you may not be for someone else. It is about you (or me in this case).
I don't feel good about this set up. That is a fact.
I am asking for other experiences and opinions to see if this set up is a standard thing...
Seems not.
As you say - it is acceptable by safety regulations - also it is present in many scenarios.
But other people also mention they would not be happy with this (same as me) and that there actually are some nurseries that would absolutely not allow this - and this is the information I am after. That's all 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Nerdles · 08/11/2024 23:17

3 nurseries in my town have closed down this year. They have to find ways to survive

Bunnycat101 · 08/11/2024 23:27

I wouldn’t like that - I’d have thought the areas would need to be totally secure so no risk of kids getting into the public space and vice versa. My kids’ nursery had a secure gate, locked outer door and then separate doors for the different rooms. Toddlers weren’t allowed in the baby room and were unable to do so so I’m surprised your one is fairly chill about shared facilities.

NewName24 · 08/11/2024 23:47

I am asking for other experiences and opinions to see if this set up is a standard thing...
Seems not.

Well, actually, plenty of posters have told you it is a pretty common situation.

If you aren't happy with it / don't trust the Nursery's RA - fair enough. You make choices based on what you are comfortable with, but you are reading a different thread from this one if you have taken from it that is seems this doesn't happen elsewhere.

Hocuspoc · 09/11/2024 00:06

NewName24 · 08/11/2024 23:47

I am asking for other experiences and opinions to see if this set up is a standard thing...
Seems not.

Well, actually, plenty of posters have told you it is a pretty common situation.

If you aren't happy with it / don't trust the Nursery's RA - fair enough. You make choices based on what you are comfortable with, but you are reading a different thread from this one if you have taken from it that is seems this doesn't happen elsewhere.

There were people who said their nursery would not allow this. There were (more) people who said it happens more often than not. I think I am ok with reading :)

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Hocuspoc · 09/11/2024 00:09

Nerdles · 08/11/2024 23:17

3 nurseries in my town have closed down this year. They have to find ways to survive

Yes I understand that, but the situation is pretty dire if it has come down to a choice between closing down and renting out nursery space to random third parties while the children are there.
It should not be like this :(

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Suzuki70 · 09/11/2024 08:43

Hocuspoc · 09/11/2024 00:09

Yes I understand that, but the situation is pretty dire if it has come down to a choice between closing down and renting out nursery space to random third parties while the children are there.
It should not be like this :(

No, it shouldn't, but when the government decided to give nurseries less than £6 an hour per child to pay for staff, rent, tax, fuel, water, insurance and equipment, without the full pay from the under-3 cohort - this is where we are.

Edit - let's not forget the new higher rates of insurance and the new minimum wage.

Laptoppie · 09/11/2024 08:47

TickingAlongNicely · 08/11/2024 10:42

My DDs primary school had a community centre. It was very strictly controlled... separate entrance, lockable doors (needed a code both directions), separate toilets. I thought it sounded a bit mad until I saw how it worked.

So nothing like OP is describing then?

AntiHop · 09/11/2024 22:16

This would bother me a lot. Even with risk assessments in place, this has introduced a lot of new risks to the nursery. I'd strongly consider moving my child.

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