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Completely shafted over in the christmas rota

402 replies

Mysticcatmum · 06/11/2024 11:53

I work in a call centre

Everyone has to work 2 out of the 3 bank holidays, I put in my preferred date of Xmas off

I have been scheduled to work Xmas day, new years eve and day

I then have the parents of toddlers asking me to cover their Christmas eve shifts as I am 'childless'. I have found out that the same people do infact have off Xmas day

Apologies, more of a rant but AIBU to be sick of the mentality of 'christmas is for kids'?! Despite me adoring the holiday

OP posts:
Superworm24 · 06/11/2024 14:03

No advise but I used to take on all the Xmas shifts before I had a child. We would celebrate on a different day but then we aren't religious.

JenniferBooth · 06/11/2024 14:05

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/11/2024 12:38

@YellowAsteroid is right, @Mysticcatmum - you have every right to refuse to work Christmas Eve for them.

If you want to mess with them, you could say you will swap with them, if you can have their Christmas day off - I doubt you'll get any takers (and if you do, it's a win for you).

Not really The parent could be really sneaky and get OP to work Christmas Eve then phone in "sick" on Christmas Day so OP gets the call to still come in. Seen it in RL in the past and on a thread here last year..........that time it was Christmas nursing home shifts

MarkWithaC · 06/11/2024 14:06

Demonhunter · 06/11/2024 13:13

I don't care what anyone says, Christmas is absolutely more important for kids, it just is. What adults do on Christmas day, you can do on any other day really, for kids, the magic of Christmas is at its peak on Christmas Eve and Day. People who get indignant about that fact are being awkward for the sake of it.

Before I had kids, I happily swapped my Xmas eve/day for NYE/NYD the few years I worked in a place that was open over the period. I could still have my breakfast before work, it was a chill day at work, and did present exchange and Xmas dinner when I got home.

I do feel for the medical field and emergency services as I can imagine it still being a busy day for them and having to try and keep bright and cheery for people, and they unfortunately have very little choice than to take their turn covering the days due to the nature of their work.

You simply cannot defend that view in the work context. Quite apart from being offensive and insulting to those who don't have children, as I said before, it's a minefield. Would you honestly say to someone who had had a child die and who was due Christmas Day off but was being pressured to cover it, or who asked for it off, 'Christmas is absolutely more important for kids'? Would you say to someone who had been through multiple miscarriages, or someone who ran out of time fertility-wise because they never found the right partner, who was being 'indignant' about working Christmas Day, that they were being awkward for the sake of it?

MarkWithaC · 06/11/2024 14:09

Whatsitreallylike · 06/11/2024 13:58

I think you might be projecting with your very agreesive response there.

OP - Different days will be important to different people. They’re all working 2 out of 3 bank holidays so you haven’t been shafted as such. But if you aren’t happy with your designated days then you should look to discuss with your team to see if they have any desire to swap!

No, not projecting anything; I've never worked in a workplace where this was an issue. I just like the word cunt and find it appropriate for people who try to tell those without children that they need to accommodate the desires of those who do.

mammaCh · 06/11/2024 14:11

You've only been asked, not forced.
For all they know you may be happy to. If they don't ask, they don't get.
You can say no.

GivingitToGod · 06/11/2024 14:11

Bluevelvetsofa · 06/11/2024 11:57

There should be a fair distribution of time off, whether you have small children, older children, no children or whatever. If you’re doing more of the bank holidays simply because you don’t have children, that’s unfair and needs to be challenged.

Spot on, I have been responsible for managing staff rotas and everyone needs to be treated fairly. It is unfair of people to assume that they have these BHs off because they have young children. When my child was young I had to participate in BH rotas , that's just how it is

JenniferBooth · 06/11/2024 14:12

Ted22 · 06/11/2024 12:52

I think YABU as you are working 2/3 bank holidays, same as everyone else. You haven’t been shafted.

I know it’s controversial but I don’t agree with all the backlash against parents asking for Xmas off and getting granted it more often than non-parents. When I was younger and didn’t have kids, I worked Christmas eve/Christmas day shifts at the hospital happily. There was a sense of camaraderie - the service had to keep running!

And of course it’s more important for the parents to be at home with their young children than for me to have a day off to watch TV and eat food with my parents and adult siblings. Adults without children can easily celebrate with family another day. It makes no difference. Whereas young children would find that very upsetting and not understand it.

Parents are only parents of young children for 10-15yrs of their working life. They work Christmas before their kids are born, and in my experience they will go back to working Christmas once their kids are late teens and have left home. It’s such a short window of time to give them grace. I find the “I’m childless but I’m just as important, I love Christmas” adults very selfish, immature and tiresome.

But I’m aware that’s very controversial!!

My dad died last month so my elderly mum has been widowed after 59 years. Im not currently working but if i was would you really expect me to leave my mum on her own on Christmas Day just because i havent got living proof that ive had sex without contraception?! While im also grieving for my dad and missing him terribly

And yes parents are only parents of YOUNG children for a short time but once Dianes children are older then Sarah who has young kids starts at the workplace and then child free Jane has to give way to her and so on and so on.

Onthesideofthespiders · 06/11/2024 14:13

RedHelenB · 06/11/2024 13:24

This It's unfair to work all the bank holidays.

She’s not. She is only working 2 of them, out of 3. Like everyone else. She just wants special treatment I guess 🤷‍♀️

Isobel201 · 06/11/2024 14:14

Libertysparkle · 06/11/2024 12:21

When I was childless I used to have this (not that we were open xmas day or boxing day) and it used to piss me off. Even more when my manager said 'one day you'll have children'!

😳Jeez, if that manager had said that to me, I would have fired something back and it wouldn't have been pleasent!

BarbaraHoward · 06/11/2024 14:24

Duckyfondant · 06/11/2024 13:43

I do think Christmas is for small children, and it's good if their parents get the day off. So I would be one of those that would volunteer to work Christmas if I had none, or they were older. Tis the season of giving and all that

That's fine for you to feel that way, but maybe OP knows she won't be having children and is reluctant to commit to never having Christmas off for her entire working life. She's working her required two bank hols including Christmas Day itself, no need for her to be feeling guilty over being off on Christmas Eve.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 06/11/2024 14:24

But this isn’t institutional unfairness or pro-parent bias: it’s just some people chancing their arms. You can say no.

JenniferBooth · 06/11/2024 14:25

Demonhunter · 06/11/2024 13:22

Well 9 years is a bit too much to be fair, so in your case you had a reason to be annoyed cos that is a piss take.

I stand by what I said in general about kids.

Well @Demonhunter i guess the carol singers who go to nursing homes shouldnt bother then They should go to the nurseries instead 🙄

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 06/11/2024 14:26

I think you have indeed been shafted and I don't understand everyone saying you haven't.🤔
Your working xmas day, new years eve and new years day right.
Your manager has been really unfair to you. The fairest way (we do this in our workplace) is if you work xmas day, you get new year off and vice versa.
Simple
If you get xmas day off 1 year you work it the next
Simple

GoldenPheasant · 06/11/2024 14:28

Time to start job searching?

JenniferBooth · 06/11/2024 14:29

fitzwilliamdarcy · 06/11/2024 13:38

You have my sympathy OP. I worked 7 Christmases, got last year off and it basically caused WW3 as the parent who got rota’d was outraged by it and then called in sick. She’s now smug as anything as she’s got her 9th one off and I’m rota’d on again.

The parents I work with are nightmarish though - they all believe they’re entitled to never work any shift that inconveniences them, and it does my head in how much they’re pandered to.

Don’t cover or swap anything. I’ve always hated NY so was never a fan of the endlessly-toted “oh you’re childless, you must prefer going out and getting smashed” narrative.

Hi Fitz Doesnt surprise me that you are rotd on again while she gets her 9th off

KoalaCalledKevin · 06/11/2024 14:31

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 06/11/2024 14:26

I think you have indeed been shafted and I don't understand everyone saying you haven't.🤔
Your working xmas day, new years eve and new years day right.
Your manager has been really unfair to you. The fairest way (we do this in our workplace) is if you work xmas day, you get new year off and vice versa.
Simple
If you get xmas day off 1 year you work it the next
Simple

But everyone is working 2 of the 3 bank holidays (Christmas Day, Boxing Day, NY Day).

Their policy is not "you either work Christmas or new year".

"Shafted" implies she's been treated worse than others. But it doesn't sound like she has (unless she is put on Christmas Day every year).

mrsm43s · 06/11/2024 14:34

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 06/11/2024 14:26

I think you have indeed been shafted and I don't understand everyone saying you haven't.🤔
Your working xmas day, new years eve and new years day right.
Your manager has been really unfair to you. The fairest way (we do this in our workplace) is if you work xmas day, you get new year off and vice versa.
Simple
If you get xmas day off 1 year you work it the next
Simple

Everyone is saying she hasn't been shafted as everyone has to work 2 out of 3 bank holidays. She is working the same number of BHs as everyone else, and exactly the number promised

The bank holidays are Christmas Day, Boxing Day and NYD.

She is working two, Christmas Day and NYD, just like everyone else is working 2. She has Boxing Day off. It's her doing her fair share and not her being shafted.

She has Christmas Eve off, but is working NYE. Neither of these are bank holidays, but working 1/2 seems fair enough.

Personally, I think the people getting the worst deal are those allocated Xmas Day and Boxing Day as their two BHs to work. And even worse if they don't have Xmas Eve off either.

imjusthereforAIBU · 06/11/2024 14:58

OP - You are someone's child - I'd argue (whether true or not) that your parent(s) want to spend christmas eve with you.
But also as others have said, offer to swap christmas eve for christmas day!
Said as a parent, being a parent doesn't automatically mean we should get the important days off if our jobs otherwise require it.
My mum was a nurse and I remember multiple christmas' when she was working and we were home with dad/grandparents. I survived!

Trethew · 06/11/2024 15:00

This used to happen to me a lot. My answer was simple, “Yes I’ll work Xmas Eve for you if you do my Xmas Day”, or similar

Mysticcatmum · 06/11/2024 15:00

Just to clear it up, I work as a 111 call advisor

OP posts:
Onthesideofthespiders · 06/11/2024 15:07

Mysticcatmum · 06/11/2024 15:00

Just to clear it up, I work as a 111 call advisor

Can you clear up how you’ve been shafted? Have you never been given Xmas day off, so you’re annoyed you’re working it yet again? Because that’s the only reason I can see that you could claim they’ve been unfair. You’re working 2 of the bank holidays like everyone else.

Seashellssanctuary · 06/11/2024 15:10

CheshireDing · 06/11/2024 11:58

Why have you ended up working all of them ?

I would be complaining to your manager if I was you

They haven't NYE is not a BH boxing day is

Working 2 of 3 means either

Xmas/Boxing
Xmas /NYD
Bixing/ NYD

To be fair there is not much scope any way

Ludoo · 06/11/2024 15:10

Mysticcatmum · 06/11/2024 15:00

Just to clear it up, I work as a 111 call advisor

So all of your colleagues took this job knowing that they may have to work Christmas !

I don’t know why some people think that they are entitled to it off.

i am a nurse and every other year i have to do Christmas yet I have one colleague assumes that he should be the one to have Christmas off every year, not even because of his kids, he just feels it’s his right.

People will take the piss , don’t let them think that they have any right over you to have these days off.

Saz12 · 06/11/2024 15:19

Whilst it's a drag to have to work over Christmas & NY, and I get you must be disappointed not to get neither off... someone has to. Should be that if you don't get your choice of day off last year, then you get your chosen day this year, etc.

Superworm24 · 06/11/2024 15:20

Ludoo · 06/11/2024 15:10

So all of your colleagues took this job knowing that they may have to work Christmas !

I don’t know why some people think that they are entitled to it off.

i am a nurse and every other year i have to do Christmas yet I have one colleague assumes that he should be the one to have Christmas off every year, not even because of his kids, he just feels it’s his right.

People will take the piss , don’t let them think that they have any right over you to have these days off.

But from what the OP has said no one is expecting the days off over her. She would have known it was 2 out of the 3 bank holidays when she took on the job. That's all she's being expected to do. And I don't see an issue with colleagues asking if anyone wants to cover their shifts.

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