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Help with what to say to ex work colleagues/friends

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potatocakesinprogress · 05/11/2024 22:40

Several years ago I worked at a company that was mainly men, and I got on well with them.

I and another (married) man, much older were sent to an event with an overnight hotel stay, just us two. We were part of the same team so saw each other every day in passing or through doing joint projects, but had never seen each other outside of work (even though I often went out with some of the guys after work, he didn't).

He offered to drive us there (several hour trip) and on the way, out of nowhere, he started telling me about how he was a sex addict and all his sexual exploits and how he was obsessed with sex and such, how he'd cheated on all his partners on a regular basis. I was uncomfortable and tried to change the topic, but every time I did he brought it back around, e.g. if I tried to talk about films he'd start talking about how sexy Kate Winslet is and so on.

Anyway long story short he tried to sexually assault me. I physically ran away from him and just about managed to get into my hotel room - he chased after me. Never been so scared in my life. He kept knocking on the door all night, I ignored him. It was horrible, I kept having panic attacks that he was going to get into the room or ask someone at reception to let him in (under false pretences) or something.

Next day we had to work together at the event. He apologised to me, said it was because he'd had a couple of drinks once we got there, and I just accepted it for the sake of it being a really awkward day of working together in public and hoping it would all blow over.

Later in the day he started back up making comments that he hoped he could give me a lift back and he'd be lonely on his own etc etc. I completely ignored him - I'd already called my boyfriend and arranged for him to come and get me because there was no way I was spending any more time with this guy.

When we got back I told the most senior person at the company what had happened and he listened but did nothing except agree I would never need to be left alone with this guy again. Eventually I managed to move teams so I didn't have to see him any more. After that we both ended up switching jobs and moving to completely different companies.

Fast forward five years, this guy unexpectedly dies from an unknown heart condition. I now have lots of (male) colleagues/friends from the old job asking if I know and wanting to talk about how devastated they are and what a great guy he was. His wife has posted the most heartfelt essay you've ever seen on social media (she has a lot of followers, not a famous amount but a lot) that my friends and some small local businesses keep sharing on their own profiles, along with their own condolence messages and memories. From reading his wife's beautifully written post and seeing the accompanying photos, you'd think he was the best person ever to walk the earth and their relationship was like romeo and juliet and he was the best dad to their kids (he spent most of the time at work saying he regretted having children and he hadn't realised how hard it would be) and so on.

Anyway, the point is that I have no idea what to say to these people's messages, because they expect me to be devastated too (I am normally the kind of person who will cry at a video of a random dog, and they, as middle aged men, are probably starting to think it's quite odd that I'm not surpassing them in terms of emotion on this, he was known as the funny guy in the office). But honestly I have no idea what to say because I'm not sad at all. Equally, I don't see any point in saying why because I feel it would just get back to hurt his wife and kids for no reason. So...what can I say in response to their messages to me that sounds reasonable/normal but isn't a lie, and also doesn't make me sound like a cold hearted bitch??

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Ellmau · 05/11/2024 22:55

I would just not respond in any way.

If you feel pressured, than something like, Wife'sname must be devastated.

NachoChip · 05/11/2024 22:56

Oh my goodness, what an awful experience, an awful man and a shocking (lack of) reaction from your senior colleague. I'm sorry you didn't get any real response to what happened to you but I realise that's not what you came here for.

As much as there should have been consequences for him in life, I agree that now that he has passed, mentioning it will only hurt the innocent people he's left behind.

In your situation I'd find it very hard to pretend I'm mourning the loss of this person. Could you maybe keep it neutral and keep referring to his family so you're not having to share your feelings, you're just making fairly standard statements e.g. his poor wife / it was so shocking and sudden / it's very sad when someone passes like that etc. Then if you're pressed for your own feelings just say e.g. it's so hard to know what to feel/think in these situations/ we didn't know each other that well, I'm just thinking about his family etc etc?

Spirallingdownwards · 05/11/2024 23:04

Just respond with something like "sorry for your loss" which acknowledges their feelings but doesn't reflect what you feel

bananaboats · 05/11/2024 23:08

Tricky one I'd feel the same and struggle to express any sympathy I think the previous posters have got the right idea, "did you hear about X terrible isn't it he was such a lovely man" answer "yes I heard must be terrible for his wife and kids I can't even imagine what they are going through" - still shows sympathy but not for him if that makes sense!

BabyCloud · 05/11/2024 23:09

Sorry for your loss/I hope you are doing ok and leave it at that.

NewIdeasToday · 05/11/2024 23:10

Sorry to hear that you went through such a difficult experience.

Personally I’d say nothing. There’s nothing to be gained by raising these issues now and just making it difficult for his family. But equally no need for you to say anything respectful about someone who treated you so badly.

Take care.

DancingNotDrowning · 05/11/2024 23:10

I’d be blunt.

“You do know he sexually harassed and tried to assault me don’t you? im sure his family will miss him but given my experience I’m not mourning him”

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/11/2024 23:25

DancingNotDrowning · 05/11/2024 23:10

I’d be blunt.

“You do know he sexually harassed and tried to assault me don’t you? im sure his family will miss him but given my experience I’m not mourning him”

Don't do this

Butchyrestingface · 05/11/2024 23:29

DancingNotDrowning · 05/11/2024 23:10

I’d be blunt.

“You do know he sexually harassed and tried to assault me don’t you? im sure his family will miss him but given my experience I’m not mourning him”

Why WOULD they know that? Confused

Anyway, this is a terrible idea.

MotherJessAndKittens · 05/11/2024 23:35

Sorry for his wife and kids. Sorry he’s died but didn’t really get on with him.

Nn9011 · 05/11/2024 23:43

I would say something along the lines of 'very sad for the family and his wife's. Show sympathy for them but don't talk about him. I agree, normally I'm one for speaking your truth but if you think what's the point and what will people say then best to just fake it. The weird thing about people dying is for those not direct friends and family life has to go on so I'm sure the talk will die down eventually.

JolieFilleCommentCaVa · 05/11/2024 23:48

Anyway, the point is that I have no idea what to say to these people's messages

You don’t have to say ANYTHING at all. Nothing. Nada. At most, you could say “it’s sad for his family” if anyone asks you. But you don’t have to engage further.

I’m so sorry for what you endured from him, it sounds like it was terrifying and you got a very lucky escape that night. Good on you for reporting his behaviour at the time!

BeeCucumber · 05/11/2024 23:54

Say nothing.

beasmithwentworth · 06/11/2024 00:01

Agree with the PPs. Stay in the background of these conversations or just nod and mmm yes or cite how hard it must be for his family. You know what went on (and yes of course there should have been consequences for this in his life time) but now that he has passed, there is nothing to gain by saying anything. Not to protect him obviously but his family.

anxioussister · 06/11/2024 00:08

‘Oh yes, I heard, very sad for his friends and family’

Is irreproachably appropriate while being clear you didn’t consider him a friend.

Halvana · 06/11/2024 00:22

Bluntly I don't think people are likely scrutinizing your emotions and opinions as much as you think. An unexpected death is shocking and people often react by wanting to talk about them... but really they want to talk, they are not often all that interested in listening. Plus everyone grieves differently and you could just be someone who does so privately. There probably aren't a load of people expecting a particular "performance" from you - it just feels that way because you are aware of the disconnect.

You've had some great suggestions already. Wife/family must be devastated, or turn it round to show sympathy to the person who's wanting to discuss it - ask them questions about how they are feeling, give condolences etc. Channel a vicar at a wake - they may not have even known the deceased, it's not their job to wax lyrical on their personal qualities, but they can still empathise with anyone who is experiencing loss.

Rebecccca · 06/11/2024 01:03

could you sympathise with how the people you care about feel… it must be so upsetting for you and his family’ … ‘take things easy, you’ve had a horrid shock’

StormingNorman · 06/11/2024 01:08

DancingNotDrowning · 05/11/2024 23:10

I’d be blunt.

“You do know he sexually harassed and tried to assault me don’t you? im sure his family will miss him but given my experience I’m not mourning him”

Brutal. The only person to suffer will be his wife. To everyone else it’s just gossip fodder.

StormingNorman · 06/11/2024 01:09

If it’s on Facebook just give the comments a like. You’ll know what you mean even if nobody else does.

divinededacende · 06/11/2024 10:37

Agree with others; "sorry for your loss, I hope you're doing ok". Acknowledge their feelings without expressing your own or worse, faking anything. There's no point in raising this now amongst a swell of grief, it'll likely backfire on you. I truly believe you're entitled to tell your story and if you feel like that's what you want to do then you should, just be mindful of the potential response and whether it'll leave you feeling better or worse in the end. The guy was scum but he's obviously projected a very different image to the people around him. After 5 years, you would probably be pissing in the wind. I'm sorry you had to go through that and that it wasn't taken more seriously at the time.

I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of these people don't know some of what he's really like. It's amazing what people can put aside when they want to stick to the story they've decided to run in their head.

TruthAndTrust · 06/11/2024 14:18

This is a really weird. Why would anyone expect you to be 'devastated' about someone you used to work 5 years ago? When all these people are contacting you just say that must be sad for his family.

You are overthinking this. The guy is dead.

OliviaRodrighost · 06/11/2024 14:22

I would ignore. You haven’t worked there for several years.

LastNight1Dreamt1WentToManderleyAgain · 06/11/2024 14:43

StormingNorman · 06/11/2024 01:08

Brutal. The only person to suffer will be his wife. To everyone else it’s just gossip fodder.

Not brutal. A fair few of his victims might feel better and saner. Someone has to start.

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