Page 2 | Can someone explain the XL Bully situation please?

yuuulp · 2024-11-05T21:25:46+00:00

Are they aggressive? Have they been bread to be ‘XL’ and if so why…?! Why are they often attacking people? Im not saying I wouldn’t avoid one (I would!) but I don’t really understand why they’re suddenly so prevalent in the uk and where they have come from? Can you just buy one like any other dog?

TheBeesKnee · 05/11/2024 23:16

Yepyepyepducky · 05/11/2024 23:05

This post seems pretty poor taste imo, surely this is something that could be googled.

Google throws up sooo much information, it's honestly easier to process when people tell you personally what they find interesting or important about a topic.

QueenTweenandKingTeen · 05/11/2024 23:21

FUgly, aggressive murder dogs hellbent on mauling people, after lulling stupid people into a false sense of security with their "wouldn't hurt a fly" demeanour, despite a) multitudes of news stories about other deadly attacks b) looking like an aggressive murder dog on steroids.

Pathetic half-assed "ban" designed to ease them out of society over a dog-lifespan meaning no more can be bred, and if you do keep one, apparently registering it as exempt means it won't attack anyone, because the piece of paper says so.

CULL THEM ALL, NOW.

Yepyepyepducky · 05/11/2024 23:22

TheBeesKnee · 05/11/2024 23:16

Google throws up sooo much information, it's honestly easier to process when people tell you personally what they find interesting or important about a topic.

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Or the op could have looked at the numerous other threads on here.

QueenTweenandKingTeen · 05/11/2024 23:23

They are aggressive because they are descended from PIT bulls who were bred to attack bulls in a pit. Killer Kimbo is NOT the reason pitbulls and their derivatives are dangerous. They were literally bred to be this way, it is in their genetic makeup.

Onand · 05/11/2024 23:29

They’re a rough persons dog, or someone who wants to project intimidation.

oakleaffy · 05/11/2024 23:40

ToBeOrNotToBee · 05/11/2024 22:12

They were created in America using the American Pitbull Terrier as the foundation and various other breeds to bulk out the dogs.
The APBT is actually a medium sized, athletic looking dog. To get to the bully they added in American Bulldog, Great Dane, Dogo Argentino, Mastiffs.
They became very popular very quickly, with a certain kind of person and like all things, demand initially outstrips supply so they become even more sought after. They became the it-dog with celebrities, footballers, wannabe hard boys and other idiots, with dogs going for thousands and thousands. Because there weren't that any in the country, a good few were imported from America.
People of ill-repute saw an opportunity, linked to money laundering, drugs, and tax avoidance. Greeders saw an opportunity to make £50,000 per litter.
Now, when breeding dogs, especially of that size temperament should come first. If a dog shows any kind of nervous, anxiety, aggression etc, it should be removed from the breeding pool. Only healthy, physically and mentally, adult dogs should be bred from. Large dogs mature very slowly and some personality traits don't show until well in adulthood.
But with the bully, they were in such demand that people just focused on breeding for size and colour over anything else. It was not unheard of for 9 month olds to sire pups, being pups themselves.
So you've got dogs that when 5 or 6 would become human aggressive, nervous with children or unpredictable and they've already sired 60-70 pups, and their own pups have gone on to be bred from. Way too late to do anything.
And of course in this country, we don't do breeding licenses, so anyone can get a dog and breed it, sell the pups on to anyone, and who knows what happens to the dogs from then on.
The American Bully XL's sheer size means it is not suitable for an average UK home. They need a sizeable home, with space to run and and burn off energy. They need an owner dedicated to training, socialising and able to physically control them. They need an owner well versed in Canine behaviour and is able to recognise when the dog is acting up and do something about it. Not baby it, keep it in a small terrace and never walk it because the dog is too bloody strong for them. But that's exactly what they got. So the dogs weren't in the right homes where there needs were being met, meaning frustrated, anxious, neurotic dogs being kept in homes with humans way out their depth, or falling into the hands of people using them for intimidation, who also had no clue what they were doing. Even worse, kids dangling from their necks. Ticking time bomb.
As these mass produced pups started to mature we started to hear more and more about people being killed by them. I do believe they are more likely to bite than other dogs because of the genetic dumpster fire they were given but also, given their sheer size, a bite by an XL is going to be fatal very quickly. They weigh the same as an adult. Their heads and jaws are massive. They will do damage with a warning bite, if they mean business you will die.
But as ever, it's not the fault of the dogs. It's the fault of the humans breeding them, the owners who buy them and put them in their homes and our stupid government that could have tightened the laws on breeding, ownership etc on all dogs years ago but don't want to.

Superb post.

Sadly Bully breeds {and Cane Corso } seem to attract the most unsuitable of owners.

The appalling levels of inbreeding doesn't help.

COI {Coefficients of inbreeding of 40%}

The average pedigree dog breeds advise that less than 5% is better.

Dog breeding REALLY needs strict licensing and health of the dog should be essential.

The Brachy dogs suffering with their soft palates is cruel.

The ''Toadline' bullies are grotesque and these animals must be in such pain.

ALL the online sites for offloading puppy farmed and back yard bred dogs should be closed down.

It should be very hard to buy a dog, or cat to avoid impulse buyers.

Breeders have created a grotesque '' XL bully cat'' now- these Frankenstein breeders do not have the animal's welfare in mind.

{I have never bred a single animal}

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/19/uk-experts-warn-against-buying-feline-equivalent-of-xl-bully-dog

UK experts warn against buying ‘XL bully cats’

Mutant breed, starting to be offered for sale in UK, has short legs, no whiskers and suffers serious health issues

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/19/uk-experts-warn-against-buying-feline-equivalent-of-xl-bully-dog

StrongFemaleCharacter · 05/11/2024 23:48

Rightiojames · 05/11/2024 22:24

They're said to all be descended from 1 specific dog which makes them extremely inbred and along with their sheer size means their temperament is broken. People who own them fall into 2 camps. "Not my dog he/she is lovely wouldn't hurt a fly" and "I'm wellard me". Neither group sees the need to train or walk their dogs let alone neuter, muzzle, use a lead or keep the dogs away from children.

Finding Kimbo – Bully Watch UK
Edited to say that I have heard of this article before but can't vouch for it's reliability.

Finding Kimbo

At Bully Watch, we began delving into the pedigrees—essentially, the family trees—of dogs from the most well-known Bully XL kennels across the UK. Our investigation steered us down a trail where on…

https://banthebullyxluk.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

oakleaffy · 05/11/2024 23:59

AAAAND another XL bully attack.

4th November.

A YOUNG girl has been rushed to hospital with serious injuries after being attacked by an XL Bully in Evesham yesterday (Monday, November 4).
The seven-year-old girl remains in a stable condition at Birmingham Children’s Hospital after being attacked inside a house on Laxton Crescent, Evesham around 1pm.
After the attack, West Mercia Police arrived on scene and seized three dogs at the address. Police have confirmed the dog who bit the girl – a registered XL Bully – has since been put down.
Superintendent Gareth Morgan said: “Sadly, a girl has suffered serious injuries after she was bitten by a dog inside a house in Evesham.
“The other dogs, neither of which are XL Bully’s, remain in our care while our enquiries continue.”
In response to the incident, West Mercia Police and both West Midlands Ambulance Service and a Midlands Air Ambulance from Strensham arrived on scene.

StrongFemaleCharacter · 06/11/2024 00:06

oakleaffy · 05/11/2024 23:59

AAAAND another XL bully attack.

4th November.

A YOUNG girl has been rushed to hospital with serious injuries after being attacked by an XL Bully in Evesham yesterday (Monday, November 4).
The seven-year-old girl remains in a stable condition at Birmingham Children’s Hospital after being attacked inside a house on Laxton Crescent, Evesham around 1pm.
After the attack, West Mercia Police arrived on scene and seized three dogs at the address. Police have confirmed the dog who bit the girl – a registered XL Bully – has since been put down.
Superintendent Gareth Morgan said: “Sadly, a girl has suffered serious injuries after she was bitten by a dog inside a house in Evesham.
“The other dogs, neither of which are XL Bully’s, remain in our care while our enquiries continue.”
In response to the incident, West Mercia Police and both West Midlands Ambulance Service and a Midlands Air Ambulance from Strensham arrived on scene.

FFS. I hope she pulls through. This has to stop, why are these parents still allowing these dogs in their homes with young children?