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Can they make relative have carer visits rather than care home?

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Helpaladyoutplease · 31/10/2024 16:59

My great uncle lives 3 hours away from us and wants to move into a care home closer to us as he is struggling. Is currently in council house with £11k savings. Can the council decide they will only fund/partly fund carers to visit him at home or will they be willing to fund/partly fund care home if this is what he wants? He struggles to get out, cook, clean and is very lonely (used to be very social when more mobile)

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Helpaladyoutplease · 31/10/2024 16:59

This is in the wrong forum. Could it pleased be moved to correct forum? Thankyou

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mummyh2016 · 31/10/2024 17:01

Yes they can and they will. They'll only fund a care home place if there's no other option. DH Nan couldn't get out of bed on her own. She was stuck with carers 4 x a day even though she needed a care home really, she used to have a lot of falls attempting to get out of bed on her own if the carer was late.

Annony331 · 31/10/2024 17:02

They may contribute according to his needs which may not be what he wants. They have to consider value for money and how to meet his needs as cheaply as possible. Depends what any medical assessment recommends as being a need sorry

Bornslippery · 31/10/2024 17:23

Only if he has 24 hour needs, otherwise his needs can be met at home (England)

Sweetaschocolate · 31/10/2024 17:28

Can he manage sheltered housing as a middle ground?
Can still have carers but will be surrounded by people his age and a lot of them have a warden.
My mum went into one but in the end she went into a care home (quite early she was only in her early 60s).
My mum can not do anything for herself (has MS on top of a lot of other health problems).

MatildaTheCat · 31/10/2024 17:29

The main issue is safety. If he’s a risk to himself at home they will be more willing to assess him as needing a care home. Sadly, loneliness isn’t going to be enough.

My DF was in a really bad state and the council still tried to persuade my DM to have him at home with. 2x carers 4 times a day. They didn’t think that the roughly 20 hours that she (80) would be caring alone was a problem. Oh and in case you wondered, it’s perfectly acceptable to leave someone in their own urine or faeces overnight- nobody minds that, don’t you know.

We did insist on residential care but they wanted otherwise.

premierleague · 31/10/2024 17:30

Helpaladyoutplease · 31/10/2024 16:59

My great uncle lives 3 hours away from us and wants to move into a care home closer to us as he is struggling. Is currently in council house with £11k savings. Can the council decide they will only fund/partly fund carers to visit him at home or will they be willing to fund/partly fund care home if this is what he wants? He struggles to get out, cook, clean and is very lonely (used to be very social when more mobile)

Will usually need to show that 4 times a day carers isn't enough before council will pay for a care home

Nomorecoconutboosts · 31/10/2024 17:37

@Helpaladyoutplease if you want this moved you need to ask @mnhq to help. They don’t routinely read and moderate all threads but if you tag them or report your own post and ask which topic you’d like it in, they willl assist.

Broadly speaking (in England) the first question is whether the person is self funding or not. If completely self funding then the person can apply to whichever home he/she wishes and pay for the care directly.

as your uncle has £11k in savings and no property to sell, he will require an assessment of care needs - usually done via adult social care. Look on his local authority website. Unless he has significant or specific needs that can ONLY be met in a care home, then he will possibly be offered some sort of POC (package of care) perhaps with visits 1-4 times per day, usually a few minutes each time.If he is still relatively mobile: able to shower, take his medication etc, make or heat basic food, he may not even qualify at this stage.

regarding meals, if it is a local authority package or care it’s likely the carer will only have time to heat a ready meal or make something on toast. Family or he may have to make shooing arrangement such as online delivery, Wiltshire farm foods etc.

It is sad that he is lonely and isolated but a care package is unlikely to resolve that. Consider other avenues of support too such as day centre/lunch group, church based group, dementia care, maybe link in with Age UK. Is there a local befriending service? Does the church offer pastoral visits - that sort of thing.

unsync · 31/10/2024 17:49

If he is in a large council house, it might be an idea to see if he can move to some form of sheltered / over 55 type of accommodation if that is available in his or your area.

He will be council funded if he only has £11k. It is unlikely his current needs are great enough for a care home. A sheltered unit with communal facilities, with a care package might work for him. You could also look for almshouses etc near you as he may qualify for that if you have lived in your area long enough.

Helpaladyoutplease · 01/11/2024 17:43

Thankyou so much, it sounds like what i meant more than care home was sheltered accomodation

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Saz12 · 01/11/2024 17:51

Unfortunately, an added.complication will be if he's moving council area, due to who pays for what.

Assisted living or shelteted housing would be good - but be aware that his needs might be too great for him to get a place.

VanilleFraise · 01/11/2024 18:02

You might be better on the elderly parents board op.

Helpaladyoutplease · 01/11/2024 18:21

Thankyou, i think i've probably got my questions answered for now so thankyou all very much! Appreciate your help greatly x

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SoporificLettuce · 01/11/2024 18:22

Could he not be assessed as needing residential care?

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