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Driving instructor - and partner’s attitude

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JoannaGroats · 28/10/2024 21:58

I’m currently leaning to drive; mainly at the encouragement of my partner. I’ve tried before and struggled, but he’s loves “off the beaten track” type holidays, so is really keen for us both to be able to drive - to the point that he offered to pay for the lessons if I’d try again.

Unfortunately, I haven’t gelled with my instructor. He seemed perfectly nice, and VERY chatty, but I started to find him quite intrusive. He’d ask what I was doing after the lesson - which is fine, obviously - but a few weeks in he said, “So do you do the bulk of your socialising with your family, then?” I was confused and said, “No - why?” He said, “Well it was just that last week you were going to your mother’s, this week you’re going out with the family for lunch…” I said, “Well, it’s Sunday; a lot of people do family stuff on a Sunday”. This led to a lot of about what else I’d done that weekend, where I like to go…

Later on he said, “It’s funny, teaching someone to drive; you can end up knowing everything about them. But some people just don’t share anything”. I just said, “Yeah, I can imagine” in the hope he’d take the hint that I was type two and I just wanted to drive.

But the main problem is, he’s always early. I don’t mean a few minutes; I mean 10, 15 or even 20 minutes early. Then he’s clock watching for the whole lesson and expecting to get back bang on two hours after he arrived, regardless of the booked time. If I question it, it’s “Well, I was there at ten past…”

Anyway, yesterday he was 25 minutes early. I was fuming. My partner answered the door and got in a flap; he was saying, “He’s here; he’s here and you’re not even dressed!” I said he could damn well wait - that we were paying him, not the other way around. But he made such a fuss that I threw something on and went out. I’d had enough of biting my tongue and said to the instructor, “You’re very early”. He just said, “Yeah, my last client only lives around the corner”. No “Sorry about that” or “Hope that’s okay” - nothing.

During the lesson, he said, “Were you in the middle of something this morning, then?” I said, “No, why?” He said, “Well, you mentioned me being early”. I pointed out that he WAS early. He said, “I know - but it’s just that you mentioned it.” Like this was some terrible faux pas on my part. Then at ten to the hour he started his “Well, we’d better be heading back…” routine. He was booked until half past! I pointed this out and got the whole “Well, I did arrive at five past…” I said that that was his choice, not mine, and that I’d booked him until half past. In the end I drove back because there wasn’t much else I could do.

Today I phoned the driving school and said I wasn’t happy with my instructor and wanted to be assigned to someone else. When I explained about the timing issue they said they’d speak to him, but I said I was uncomfortable and wanted someone else.

When I told my partner, he was horrified. He was saying I shouldn’t have said I wanted someone else; what if they won’t send anyone else and want to cancel the other lessons… I said the lessons were paid for, so they’d either have to send someone else or refund us. If they do, so what - there are other driving schools. He didn’t want to listen. He's convinced himself that this is some excuse to give up the lessons. I said that was ridiculous; that if I’d wanted to quit I could have just cancelled the lessons altogether. I said he might be paying, but I had to take the lessons and I needed to feel comfortable.

Am I being unfair? I really struggle with driving, but I’m willing to try, so I don’t think it’s so wrong to want as little stress as possible around it.

OP posts:
Spirallingdownwards · 02/11/2024 07:11

Fountofwisdom · 30/10/2024 08:31

Great to see you’ve been assigned a new instructor. Your first instructor is a cf. Your lesson time starts from the booked time, not whatever time he chooses to arrive! That is outrageous. Likewise, your partner is being ridiculous. How does he not see the instructor was being unreasonable? I learnt to drive this year and felt quite nervous before lessons, and would have felt really pressurised under the scenario you describe, being rushed by both instructor and partner.

As with all walks of life, some instructors are great and some are terrible. It is quite normal to chat as you drive, but my first instructor never shut up, over-shared about her family and then kept saying she wanted me to go round to her family home for a meal once I had my car! It was far too over-familiar for me, I didn’t want to be her friend, I just wanted to learn to drive! I told her I was taking a break for money reasons and then found another instructor through local recommendations, who was much better suited to me. She was also lovely but maintained professional
boundaries and knew to shut up when I was doing a tricky manoeuvre.

See how you get on with the new one and if they are also a cf, go elsewhere. There can’t just be one driving school in town?! Good luck with the driving!

Edited

I don't think the instructor was insisting. He just arrived early. It was the partner insisting. Most driving instructors arrive early and just wait

CosyLemur · 02/11/2024 07:19

It really doesn't matter if he arrives early your lesson still starts at x time and finishes 2 hours later. If you're getting in the car as soon as he gets there that's your fault.
If it's a driving school with multiple instructors they're given a set amount of time between lessons - usually too much time to allow for traffic as they'd lose far more people if their instructors were constantly late then if they were constantly early.
Have you openly told the instructor you don't want to chat and be social during the lessons? Or have you just tried subtle hints?
But none of that is really relevant if YOU don't want to learn to drive. I say this from experience I tried to learn to drive for my parents when I was 17 because they brought me lessons for my birthday - I wasn't interested in learning to drive at that time and I failed my test and quit.
I tried again when my now EXH brought me lessons for one Christmas again it wasn't something I wanted it was something I was doing for someone else.
Finally a few years ago I decided I wanted to to drive and this year at age 42 I passed my test I failed my first attempt but kept going. But it's something you have to do for yourself not anyone else.

CosyLemur · 02/11/2024 07:27

Fountofwisdom · 30/10/2024 08:31

Great to see you’ve been assigned a new instructor. Your first instructor is a cf. Your lesson time starts from the booked time, not whatever time he chooses to arrive! That is outrageous. Likewise, your partner is being ridiculous. How does he not see the instructor was being unreasonable? I learnt to drive this year and felt quite nervous before lessons, and would have felt really pressurised under the scenario you describe, being rushed by both instructor and partner.

As with all walks of life, some instructors are great and some are terrible. It is quite normal to chat as you drive, but my first instructor never shut up, over-shared about her family and then kept saying she wanted me to go round to her family home for a meal once I had my car! It was far too over-familiar for me, I didn’t want to be her friend, I just wanted to learn to drive! I told her I was taking a break for money reasons and then found another instructor through local recommendations, who was much better suited to me. She was also lovely but maintained professional
boundaries and knew to shut up when I was doing a tricky manoeuvre.

See how you get on with the new one and if they are also a cf, go elsewhere. There can’t just be one driving school in town?! Good luck with the driving!

Edited

Arriving early isn't being a CF at all! The OP getting in the car and starting her lesson early and then expecting to not return until the booked time is being a CF.
Driving instructors will have a set time between lessons to allow for traffic and breaks. Just because he's there early doesn't mean she had to get in the car early.
And all she needed to say to the BF was I know he's here but my lesson doesn't start until x there was probably no traffic today.
They'd rather be at their clients house early and wait outside than late - because getting to one client's house late for a lesson makes them late for the rest of the day.

Vettrianofan · 02/11/2024 07:27

I had two different instructors. I didn't manage to pass with the first one, but had success with second one.

People do this more than you realise.

DH said he also had two instructors. He just couldn't get on with the first one.

My eldest has been lucky and so far 15 lessons in, is really getting on great with his instructor.

Vettrianofan · 02/11/2024 07:30

And DS's instructor is often early and he will take the hour starting from when DS gets in the car until the end of the lesson. Might be slightly sooner than when it was due to finish. Doesn't matter as long as he gets the full hour of tuition. Everyone is happy. Instructors often need to allow travel time to the next lesson which could be at the other end of town.

RenoDakota · 02/11/2024 07:33

I learnt to drive in 1979/80 when I was 17/18.
My driving instructor was a right letch and used to open his door and pull me over sideways across his lap to show me how good (or not) my reversing round a corner was. Cannot believe now how I put up with it! Young and very naive, I think.

AlizeeEasy · 02/11/2024 07:38

My driving instructor was a racist. I still regret not getting rid of her, but I was so close to taking my test by the time her ugly opinions came to light

kezzykate · 02/11/2024 07:46

I do think you have to be comfortable with your instructor. I passed with my third, my first was very mean and impatient, my second seemed very anxious about everything I did and was always very worried about damaging his car, my third was patient and calm. I was a nervous driver at first so it was really important to have someone who kept me at ease and now I love driving.

Reallyneedsaholiday · 02/11/2024 08:04

Well done on standing your ground and getting a new instructor. It’s really important that you’re comfortable with the person who is teaching you to drive.

Personally, I’d have handled it differently
“Do you spend ypur socialising time with your family?” “No, normally with my toy boy, but his mum insists he spends Sundays with her”
”Were you doing anything this morning?” “Well, I was giving my boyfriend a bj and had to leave him to finish himself off”
But I probably WOULD have ended up blacklisted by the company, so you probably handled it better 😂

Seriously though, it reads as if he was trying to flirt with you, and that’s really not very professional. The fact that the company changed your instructor so quickly makes me wonder if he has a history of this kind of behaviour. Well done on flagging up that you weren’t comfortable.

WillowTit · 02/11/2024 08:10

i had a hairdresser who said, after i had been talking about my dc, enough about your children, what about you
i never went back.
glad you changed your instructor.
why should you be ready just because he turns up early!

WillowTit · 02/11/2024 08:11

one of my instructors hit my hand, so i gave him up!

purplebeansprouts · 02/11/2024 08:14

You're the one who has to be in a car with him for 2 hours so you are the one who has to be comfortable. Your DH is just seeing it from a "driving instructors are in heavy demand" angle with no thought to your welfare.

Soangrynupset · 02/11/2024 08:17

jeaux90 · 30/10/2024 08:21

Honestly OP this creepy shit is why I'd have asked for a female instructor. In fact anything I outsource like gardening etc I always try and get a woman. So many creepy and intrusive men around.

And women too (driving instructor). Not just men.
Not quite the topic, but ever met a creepy female hairdresser? Sounds most unlikely right. I mean they can be incompetent, lazy, nosy, bully-ish but creepy?
Yes, they do exist. Unfortunately.
There are creepy female driving instructors too.

TwistedWonder · 02/11/2024 08:21

I learned to drive in the 80’s and my first instructor was a misogynistic, homophobic, racist letch who thought his opinions were fact and spoke to me like I was about 8 rather than 18.

I stopped lessons for few years after I failed my test and he laughed.

Several years later I started again with a female instructor who was so lovely, gentle kind and treated me like the adult I was, it made such a difference to my confidence.

Having a driving instructor you click with is vital.

KimberleyClark · 02/11/2024 08:31

If you are struggling with the driving he needs to keep the chitchat to a minimum. You really need not to be distracted. I went through three instructors who talked too much.

FeralNun · 02/11/2024 08:39

Your partner doesn’t actually care more about upsetting other people than supporting you, he cares more about the discomfort he feels at possible confrontation, or not being able to people please.

Put more simply, his feelings are what matter to him - not you. This is a big deal.
I think its fixable, if he takes it on. If not, it’s a lifetime of fighting your own corner ahead..

dottiedodah · 02/11/2024 08:41

Look being relaxed and happy with your Instructor, is paramount to success with anything.I had 2 instructors and the first I was happy with ,but his car kept breaking down.The second I just didnt feel comfortable with .He was perfectly polite and decent ,but I couldnt relax .3rd was a lady ,about the same age as me .Just like going out with a friend ,we just gelled had a good laugh ,she was quick to pull me up on any mistakes though! Its perfectly normal to have multiple Instructors .You are paying them!

dottiedodah · 02/11/2024 08:42

Passed test with her!

CucumberBagel · 02/11/2024 08:48

CosyLemur · 02/11/2024 07:27

Arriving early isn't being a CF at all! The OP getting in the car and starting her lesson early and then expecting to not return until the booked time is being a CF.
Driving instructors will have a set time between lessons to allow for traffic and breaks. Just because he's there early doesn't mean she had to get in the car early.
And all she needed to say to the BF was I know he's here but my lesson doesn't start until x there was probably no traffic today.
They'd rather be at their clients house early and wait outside than late - because getting to one client's house late for a lesson makes them late for the rest of the day.

If you read the OP, it says her partner "answered the door" and then started getting in a flap. Which means the instructor wasn't sitting in his car waiting for the start time, he knocked on the door to begin the lesson.

PinkPolkadotFlamingo · 02/11/2024 08:50

OP, does your partner currently have to do all the driving if you both go somewhere that's not accessible by transport?

My guess is that his attitude stems from being really keen to be able to share the driving at some point. That doesn't excuse him ignoring your concerns about your odd instructor, but I can understand why he'd worried about anything negative you said about the lessons.

I didn't learn to drive until my late 30s, and I hadn't appreciated how knackering it can be until I passed my test and started sharing some of the distance driving with DH.

GooGooMuckMuck · 02/11/2024 09:27

Driving instructors can be weird, I asked to swap mine for another instructor and the school were fine with it. I hope you’re put with someone better next time! It can feel unnerving.

AlliWantIsARoomSomewheeeere · 02/11/2024 10:06

Spirallingdownwards · 02/11/2024 07:09

Whilst I agree that you need to be comfortable with your instructor and your partner acted like a numpty I do feel you should be aware of the following.

The instructor will take bookings and allow a certain "travel time" between each. If he is early because he didn't need to use all the travel time then it is OK to let them wait until when your lesson is due to start. If you do start only it is OK too for the lesson to be for the 2 hours you paid for and not the additional time. If your next one arrives early just let them know you won't be available to start until the booked start time

Personally I think his chat was just normal small talk but I understand that you do not have to make small talk if you don't want too. I do wonder whether nerves around driving has blown this into something it needn't have.

I agree with this.

I learnt in my early 20's and had an instructor who was very casual and relaxed and that HELPED me relax and concentrate (I have ADHD that wasn't diagnosed back then) sitting in formal silence would have been awful for me.

However, I do think it would be helpful if the instructor could "read the room" a little. Like with waitresses, some customers love some chit chat and may be the only human interaction they get all day others want you to put your food down and piss off.

It's totally ok to swap to a teacher you click with, it also ok to politely but firmly say, sorry if it's not your natural manner but i would prefer no chit chat as I can concentrate better that way.
Firmly, but politely, stating boundaries would solve a lot of lifes problems I feel more and more these days!

Casperroonie · 02/11/2024 10:15

JoannaGroats · 28/10/2024 21:58

I’m currently leaning to drive; mainly at the encouragement of my partner. I’ve tried before and struggled, but he’s loves “off the beaten track” type holidays, so is really keen for us both to be able to drive - to the point that he offered to pay for the lessons if I’d try again.

Unfortunately, I haven’t gelled with my instructor. He seemed perfectly nice, and VERY chatty, but I started to find him quite intrusive. He’d ask what I was doing after the lesson - which is fine, obviously - but a few weeks in he said, “So do you do the bulk of your socialising with your family, then?” I was confused and said, “No - why?” He said, “Well it was just that last week you were going to your mother’s, this week you’re going out with the family for lunch…” I said, “Well, it’s Sunday; a lot of people do family stuff on a Sunday”. This led to a lot of about what else I’d done that weekend, where I like to go…

Later on he said, “It’s funny, teaching someone to drive; you can end up knowing everything about them. But some people just don’t share anything”. I just said, “Yeah, I can imagine” in the hope he’d take the hint that I was type two and I just wanted to drive.

But the main problem is, he’s always early. I don’t mean a few minutes; I mean 10, 15 or even 20 minutes early. Then he’s clock watching for the whole lesson and expecting to get back bang on two hours after he arrived, regardless of the booked time. If I question it, it’s “Well, I was there at ten past…”

Anyway, yesterday he was 25 minutes early. I was fuming. My partner answered the door and got in a flap; he was saying, “He’s here; he’s here and you’re not even dressed!” I said he could damn well wait - that we were paying him, not the other way around. But he made such a fuss that I threw something on and went out. I’d had enough of biting my tongue and said to the instructor, “You’re very early”. He just said, “Yeah, my last client only lives around the corner”. No “Sorry about that” or “Hope that’s okay” - nothing.

During the lesson, he said, “Were you in the middle of something this morning, then?” I said, “No, why?” He said, “Well, you mentioned me being early”. I pointed out that he WAS early. He said, “I know - but it’s just that you mentioned it.” Like this was some terrible faux pas on my part. Then at ten to the hour he started his “Well, we’d better be heading back…” routine. He was booked until half past! I pointed this out and got the whole “Well, I did arrive at five past…” I said that that was his choice, not mine, and that I’d booked him until half past. In the end I drove back because there wasn’t much else I could do.

Today I phoned the driving school and said I wasn’t happy with my instructor and wanted to be assigned to someone else. When I explained about the timing issue they said they’d speak to him, but I said I was uncomfortable and wanted someone else.

When I told my partner, he was horrified. He was saying I shouldn’t have said I wanted someone else; what if they won’t send anyone else and want to cancel the other lessons… I said the lessons were paid for, so they’d either have to send someone else or refund us. If they do, so what - there are other driving schools. He didn’t want to listen. He's convinced himself that this is some excuse to give up the lessons. I said that was ridiculous; that if I’d wanted to quit I could have just cancelled the lessons altogether. I said he might be paying, but I had to take the lessons and I needed to feel comfortable.

Am I being unfair? I really struggle with driving, but I’m willing to try, so I don’t think it’s so wrong to want as little stress as possible around it.

Well done for being so assertive.

I'm afraid your DP seems quite unaware of male privilege and doesn't seen to understand that making a female uncomfortable is not ok.

jeaux90 · 02/11/2024 12:07

@Soangrynupset MRA alert

Soangrynupset · 02/11/2024 12:42

jeaux90 · 02/11/2024 12:07

@Soangrynupset MRA alert

What does MRA mean?