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What should we pay for the tree?

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Anon22224 · 21/10/2024 20:41

Hello! We are in a bit of quandary with our neighbours. They are very nice neighbours and we get on well.

Our neighbours had a very large (over 100ft) soft wood tree in the very corner of their garden which bent over and so covered half of our garden (which is 1/2 an acre!) (it did not fall over their garden at all as bent). We didn’t mind too much but this year extremely large branches began to fall down, first it happened in a storm and then we had a couple come down with totally normal weather. We were very concerned about this as had a branch fallen on us or more worryingly one of our children they would almost certainly have died due to the size and height. We got a tree surgeon in and cut it right back over our side costing £1000 but the tree surgeon said there was no way to keep it 100% safe unless we cut the tree down completely. We could cut it right back to the trunk but it would continue to grow rapidly.

We discussed with our neighbours and came to the decision that it needed to be cut down to keep everyone safe. They got 2 quotes, one for £10,000 and one for £7,500 from original tree surgeon so went with that one. Originally they were booked for December and our neighbours decided not to stump grind the tree as this was an extra £1000.

In the meantime we were looking at our garden as with the tree branches gone we could actually get things to grow and grass to grow which we previously hadn’t done due to lack of light. Our garden is an L shape and we wondered if our neighbours would sell us the corner of their garden (where the tree is) to make it so that we could see to the end of our garden so kids would play at the bottom and we could still see them (cutting out the corner roughly 2 fence panels which is currently where the stump of the large tree is, the stump is so big that it is almost 2 fence panels in diameter)

We sent our neighbours a message and said that we wondered if they would consider selling us this small corner (their garden is also 1/2 an acre so as you can imagine this corner is a small piece of their garden), if so we would pay for the tree entirely (as it would become ours) as well as legal fees etc and also a new fence as the fence is broken and had to be pulled down to cut the tree. The fence is their fence as it’s on their right hand side. We did say regardless of this we would contribute to the tree.

The tree felling was brought forward as they had space and so it’s now been cut down, it took 5 days and considerably caused chaos to our garden as it was all done from our side, there’s a giant dent in our garden where the tree was felled, it also caused damage to our driveway as heavy machinery had to come in and out and it’s covered in wood chip and pieces of wood etc. We didn’t say anything as needed to be done obviously and not the biggest deal until the next message!

We got a reply saying they didn’t want to sell the land (fair enough no big deal) but that they wanted us to go 50/50 on the tree and the fence as we were the ones who wanted it cut down.

This I suppose is true but it was to stop dangerous branches falling? What were we supposed to do?

Total cost with fence for 50/50 would be £5000, and we’ve already spent £1000 on having it cut back so the kids could play out for some of summer.

What would you do? Obviously we have the money as we would have spent it buying the land but we feel that that’s too much on the principal that it’s their tree and fence and we’ve had the inconvenience of it all?

thanks for reading!

YABU - you owe 50/50

YANBU - you owe lews

OP posts:
Justme2023123 · 21/10/2024 20:44

You don't own the tree, you don't pay anything.

Angeldelight50 · 21/10/2024 20:48

PP is probably right but what is the incentive for your neighbour to get rid of the tree? If you don’t meet them half way they may refuse to remove the tree entirely and then you’re stuck with it.

Anon22224 · 21/10/2024 20:49

Angeldelight50 · 21/10/2024 20:48

PP is probably right but what is the incentive for your neighbour to get rid of the tree? If you don’t meet them half way they may refuse to remove the tree entirely and then you’re stuck with it.

It’s already down now but we didn’t agree prior to the tree felling as was supposed to be in December but was brought forward

OP posts:
HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 21/10/2024 20:51

Did they agree to sell the land to you?

Butteredtoast55 · 21/10/2024 20:55

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 21/10/2024 20:51

Did they agree to sell the land to you?

The OP says not.

Shallwesay2pm · 21/10/2024 20:56

I think you have already paid enough, don't pay anymore.

Hayley1256 · 21/10/2024 20:56

It's their tree and they have a responsibility to make sure it's not causing a danger to your land, I believe they are fully responsible for the cost (and prior to it been cut down they would have been responsible for maintaining anything over hanging onto your land). However as you agreed to put money towards it I would suggest 25% of the full cost including the fencing coats. This really should have been agreed prior to the tree surgeon carrying out any work.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 21/10/2024 21:02

Butteredtoast55 · 21/10/2024 20:55

The OP says not.

Sorry I haven’t made myself clear, before the tree was felled OP sent a message asking to buy the land and therefore take responsibility of the tree, did your neighbours agree to sell the land to you?

Or have they changed their mind after the tree was felled?

Whaleandsnail6 · 21/10/2024 21:03

Where would they stand if falling branches injured someone? Surely they would be liable, so it was in their best interests to have cut the tree down.

Im not sure you owe anything as it was their tree and their responsibility?

However, Since you have already agreed to pay something towards the cost of removal, I would think of a price you are happy to pay and offer that, even if it is less than half, just for the sake of neighbour relations

Threecraws · 21/10/2024 21:09

I'm astounded by the cost and also the entire way this was all executed. It should all have been discussed and agreed in advance. As it is though, it isn't your responsibility to pay and I would suggest they could pay you to repair the damage to your garden.

MoveOnTheCards · 21/10/2024 21:11

If they never agreed to the land sale (including the tree) it’s surely entirely their responsibility to maintain or get rid of if unsafe?

xyz111 · 21/10/2024 21:14

I wouldn't have paid anything to have the tree cut down. It's their tree, not yours. Surely from a legal standpoint it's their issue to make sure it's safe?

MiraculousLadybug · 21/10/2024 21:21

Since they agreed to get the work done on the basis that you offered to pay half, I think you should honour that and pay half. They might not have got the work done otherwise. I know it clearly needed doing, but I don't think that's how they see it. If you had enough money to pay for the full felling of the tree plus the fence plus the land, I think covering just the tree and the fence is a small price to pay for cohesion with your neighbours. I know it's not your legal liability but if I were you, I'd pay it anyway due to the circumstances.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 21/10/2024 21:23

Sounds hugely expensive we had several trees taken down and very large branches taken off a couple of others for about £3,000, one of the trees taken down was a very tall Scots pine and another a Sycamore that was a good 2ft in diameter with a big canopy. And there was no huge mess the guys cut the trees from the top down and lowered the pieces with ropes, no damage to adjacent fences or outbuildings at all. If you asked them to take the tree down, and it was for your benefit I think you should pay at least half, but I would not be happy with the price!

K0OLA1D · 21/10/2024 21:25

MiraculousLadybug · 21/10/2024 21:21

Since they agreed to get the work done on the basis that you offered to pay half, I think you should honour that and pay half. They might not have got the work done otherwise. I know it clearly needed doing, but I don't think that's how they see it. If you had enough money to pay for the full felling of the tree plus the fence plus the land, I think covering just the tree and the fence is a small price to pay for cohesion with your neighbours. I know it's not your legal liability but if I were you, I'd pay it anyway due to the circumstances.

The op didn't agree to pay half?

Andthesky · 21/10/2024 21:26

Gobsmacked by the costs! Last tree we had removed was a full spread oak tree which was too close to the house for safety anymore. That cost about £1000 to remove 5 years ago.

This is a tricky one, as legally it is their responsibility, but you were the beneficiaries of its removal. I would agree to pay half the tree felling, once I had recovered from the shock of how much it is, given the main benefit is to you. I would not contribute to the fence replacement, as maintenance then becomes tricky as who is then responsible if you 'joint own' it. Plus, you have incurred the additional expenses of your driveway repairs, which I am sure they won't stump up for (pun intended!)

K0OLA1D · 21/10/2024 21:29

Op I don't agree with the other posters regarding you being the beneficiary. If the tree had fallen and either injured someone or damaged your property, surely they'd have been liable? And it sounds like they were lucky it hadn't happened before now.

I wouldn't pay half. If you can afford and want to keep neighbourly, maybe off 1/4. But you're in no way obligated

GailPlattsDeadHusband · 21/10/2024 21:29

Who hired the Tree company?

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 21/10/2024 21:34

Disputes with neighbours are horrible and can be far-reaching so best avoided. The main thing is that the tree has gone and you're safe and have a better garden. This is a gain. 5,000 is a lot of money but better than having the tree there and better than falling out with your neighbours. I'd pay it. Though I agree with PP that technically you don't have to.

MiraculousLadybug · 21/10/2024 21:39

K0OLA1D · 21/10/2024 21:25

The op didn't agree to pay half?

Oops, I think I misunderstood.

PattyDuckface · 21/10/2024 21:41

Wow this whole thing is expensive. Is there no cheaper alternative for cutting down trees.

Pennysfarthing · 21/10/2024 21:43

You owe them nothing

Anon22224 · 21/10/2024 21:44

twomanyfrogsinabox · 21/10/2024 21:23

Sounds hugely expensive we had several trees taken down and very large branches taken off a couple of others for about £3,000, one of the trees taken down was a very tall Scots pine and another a Sycamore that was a good 2ft in diameter with a big canopy. And there was no huge mess the guys cut the trees from the top down and lowered the pieces with ropes, no damage to adjacent fences or outbuildings at all. If you asked them to take the tree down, and it was for your benefit I think you should pay at least half, but I would not be happy with the price!

It was a poplar and trunk diameter is about 5ft, the guys worked crazy hard for 5 days and there were about 6 of them! Given both quotes were similar I think it was fair.

OP posts:
Anon22224 · 21/10/2024 21:44

GailPlattsDeadHusband · 21/10/2024 21:29

Who hired the Tree company?

They did, they organised and got quotes, discussed etc

OP posts:
Dotto · 21/10/2024 21:47

For the sake of good neighbourly relations, just pay it 50/50. If you had obtained an order of court to force them to fell it, you would have to declare that as a dispute, which devalues your property if you ever sell it.

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