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Teacher part- time contract minimum h??

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starchildmum · 21/10/2024 14:03

Good afternoon,

I would like to seek some guidance on pay and employment contract for a small part- time teaching position. Is there such a thing as minimum hours? I have been employed by schools as a part- time teacher multiple times 50%, 80%, 44% etc. always on a contract with all the benefits that come with it specifically teacher pension pay and NI contributions by the school.

The position in question is very small ( 3h) and I believe the school wants to employ me on a tutor basis with hourly pay although the classes in question are exam level (A level) but only 1 pupil.

Would 3 h be 10% of a full time teaching timetable if its 40 h?

Key for me to accept the position is to be properly employed by the school and that my hours reflect a percentage of my experience level rather than just being a tutor. Is this reasonable?

Pay has not been discussed yet and I therefore wish to hear what options would be standard for only 3 h/ half a day teaching.
Should I fight for my right to have a proper contract? Do I have the right? Or is the job just too small and tutor pay is acceptable?

Thank you for any advise.

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Chillisintheair · 21/10/2024 14:09

Teacher contracts are 32.5 hours full time.

Soontobe60 · 21/10/2024 14:13

I would expect to be paid as per my teacher pay scale, as 0.1 which is = to half a day per week.

Pinkmoonshine · 21/10/2024 14:25

Surely it depends what the school is offering you? I’ve worked at my old school as a freelance tutor at £50ph - they also offered to do all the tax returns and give me a short term contract and for that they would pay me £40ph.

I found 3 hours at £150 quite reasonable. But it depends what other work you can get and what you find reasonable.

lanthanum · 21/10/2024 14:52

I had a part-time contract when I was doing 6.6 hours a week (6 lessons plus PPA). I did feel quite lucky that they didn't try to suggest hourly pay, as it was Jan to Aug and one of the two groups went on study leave in May - they could have saved quite a bit of money. I also had a contract at a previous school which was 7.7 hours, paid as 0.28. This was before schools were quite as strapped for cash as they are now, however.

I did have a job in a private sixth form which was only January to May (they had a January intake who did the course in 5 terms). Not only did they pay by the hour, but it turned out that in the regular "test weeks", the casual staff were not required or paid - which hadn't been made clear at interview.

I think the argument to use is that if they want you to commit to them, they need to commit to you. If they pay you by the hour, then I don't think that the usual notice periods would be fair, and of course they then risk you saying "sorry, found a new job, starting in three weeks". Paying you according to STPCD would reduce the risk of you landing them with a problem. I guess there might be a middle ground to explore - for instance, if they pay you properly, pensionable, proper notice period, would you be happy to agree an end date when the student does their A-level exam (if there isn't another group in the year below by then)?

(If you've been out of teaching for a bit, it might be worth checking the effect on your pension. The index-linking of my most recent teacher salary puts it way above current teacher pay (it's the fte salary which counts here), and I suspect that if I went back in, it might reduce my pension. In that case, there might be an advantage in not being employed as a teacher.)

starchildmum · 21/10/2024 15:10

Thank you for all your responses.

This school is part of a very wealthy group of independent schools abd I am therefore less inclined to accept hourly pay and a cheap way out.

Moreover they are looking for someone with my expertise for teaching a Year 13 student. The Head of department is extremely keen to hire me for these 3 h.

Ir seems as most would agree that payroll ( even if its 0.1) is a more favourable option than Hourly pay, right?

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starchildmum · 21/10/2024 19:59

lanthanum · 21/10/2024 14:52

I had a part-time contract when I was doing 6.6 hours a week (6 lessons plus PPA). I did feel quite lucky that they didn't try to suggest hourly pay, as it was Jan to Aug and one of the two groups went on study leave in May - they could have saved quite a bit of money. I also had a contract at a previous school which was 7.7 hours, paid as 0.28. This was before schools were quite as strapped for cash as they are now, however.

I did have a job in a private sixth form which was only January to May (they had a January intake who did the course in 5 terms). Not only did they pay by the hour, but it turned out that in the regular "test weeks", the casual staff were not required or paid - which hadn't been made clear at interview.

I think the argument to use is that if they want you to commit to them, they need to commit to you. If they pay you by the hour, then I don't think that the usual notice periods would be fair, and of course they then risk you saying "sorry, found a new job, starting in three weeks". Paying you according to STPCD would reduce the risk of you landing them with a problem. I guess there might be a middle ground to explore - for instance, if they pay you properly, pensionable, proper notice period, would you be happy to agree an end date when the student does their A-level exam (if there isn't another group in the year below by then)?

(If you've been out of teaching for a bit, it might be worth checking the effect on your pension. The index-linking of my most recent teacher salary puts it way above current teacher pay (it's the fte salary which counts here), and I suspect that if I went back in, it might reduce my pension. In that case, there might be an advantage in not being employed as a teacher.)

Thank you!!!

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AuntAgathaGregson · 26/02/2025 15:45

Edited - wrong thread.

Someonelookedatmypostinghistorysoichanged · 26/02/2025 15:57

Contract is always best but I suspect this won’t happen because it’s for a specific learner. When they leave will you be needed. There is alot of unscrupulous pay conditions for teachers/tutors atm,

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