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To ask why Americans seem fixated on conspiracy theories?

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movingonok · 12/10/2024 13:13

I know other nations are too but not to the extent of Americans.

Is there a simple answer? Mistrust of authorities?

Not just today's guff but all the way back to alien abductions and assassination of JFK etc.

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mathanxiety · 13/10/2024 06:49

DalRiata · 12/10/2024 20:01

Here in Britain it would be considered extremely vulgar, not to mention rather common, to talk of money in such a way.

There are several layers of very funny delusion there.

phoenixrosehere · 13/10/2024 06:50

LibertyCaps · 13/10/2024 06:06

I hate anti-Americanism. It's generally bourne of stupidity.

All the Americans I know are educated and intelligent, and the vast majority of Americans I meet out in the world are interested and open-minded.

It's you who are small-minded @movingonok with your ridiculous stereotypes.

Same. Funny what is allowed on MN and what isn’t when it comes to certain countries.

newnamenoname1 · 13/10/2024 10:15

The lazy and uneducated anti-American tropes aside, it's depressing and amazing how many people period do seem to believe in conspiracy theories period. Whenever there's a thread on them on MN, loads of people come out of the woodwork to explain which one(s) they believe in. Look how many people on here are anti-vaxx or believe Meghan Markle faked her pregnancies.

Like a pp, I think you could peg the Brexit vote on a large percentage of people in the UK falling prey to being gullible to some level of conspiracy, which seems to point to disaffection, distrust in authority and lack of resources and a feeling of dead-end prospects being key factors in that gullibility.

Then you throw in social media. Research shows that repetition is a critical factor in developing belief and the the algorithms are designed to pull you ever deeper into validating something you're already starting to believe.

And in America, the popularity of right wing talk radio starting in the 90s, Fox News, NewsMax, and the takeover of many local and regional tv news stations by Sinclair Media (I believe they own nearly 300 stations in around 90 markets) is a real problem as viewers are fed absolute garbage propaganda 24/7.

LibertyCaps · 13/10/2024 10:30

mathanxiety · 13/10/2024 06:49

There are several layers of very funny delusion there.

Yes. I can't even think of an amusing rejoinder to that utterly bonkers comment.

Clotheshanger · 13/10/2024 10:35

unmemorableusername · 12/10/2024 15:19

I agree with this and wonder why it never forms part of the debate.

Surely a self selecting group (European migrants to USA in 1850-1950) will have had some difference s to those who chose to stay at home?

Like what you said the go getting risk takers who didn't want government control left. They've 'inbred' into a different ethnic group from remaining Europeans.

You're getting confused. The vast majority of the Europeans who entered the US between 1850 and 1950 were leaving grinding poverty, famine and/or escaping pogroms. They weren’t in general go-getting free-wheelers, they emigrated because their current conditions in their home country were intolerable — they were often peasants who could no longer feed themselves off their land because of agricultural changes and a lower rate of mortality. A million Irish people died of starvation and disease during the famine of the late 1840s. Two million emigrated to the US between 1845 and 1855.

LibertyCaps · 13/10/2024 10:50

Cerialkiller · 12/10/2024 15:00

I've always wondered at the cultural differences between Americans and the British. Baring in mind that America (at least the white population) is a nation primarily (and recently) descended from the brave and the foolish people who followed a crazy dream or felt disenfranchised by what they had in Europe and took a dangerous journey into the unknown.

You have to wonder if there is a significant variation in genetics as a result, maybe a higher degree of self belief over trusting authority or just a resistance to conformity or higher tolerance for risk. I've always wondered. Obviously its now 200-300 years since the gold rush and mass imegration. insignificant in genetic terms.

Also as a nation it's much easier in America to live a highly isolated life, that's would be difficult here just because of the population to land ratio. There are whole communities that cut themselves off there.

It's important to note that they may not in fact be more inclined to conspiracy, just more able/inclined to tell people about it online and so it comes across that way. I don't know if studies exist on either of these topics. Might go and have a look.

Hmm.

I would take a punt that it's sub 0.01% of the population of the USA that could trace their lineage back to the Mayflower.

America is a really interesting country with a difficult history.

I love the idea of the land of the free and the land of the brave.

And who's free and who's brave are conversations.

Who even gets to choose that & what does it mean?

I'm glad that America exists, I'm glad that it gets to ask these questions.

Cerialkiller · 13/10/2024 15:40

LibertyCaps · 13/10/2024 10:50

Hmm.

I would take a punt that it's sub 0.01% of the population of the USA that could trace their lineage back to the Mayflower.

America is a really interesting country with a difficult history.

I love the idea of the land of the free and the land of the brave.

And who's free and who's brave are conversations.

Who even gets to choose that & what does it mean?

I'm glad that America exists, I'm glad that it gets to ask these questions.

Er, people emigrated to the colonies for decades before the declaration of independence was signed and decades afterwards. I'm not just talking about the Mayflower.

As I said many were disenfranchised (or poor) and so they went to seek their fortune in the 'new world' but some people went and some people stayed and there may well be an aspect of character which could skew it either way. As pp said, much of the early white population were self selecting for a variety of reasons.

I didn't intend for that to sound like a negative thing. It obviously worked for America the country, to be a nation of pioneers. It's gone a bit pear shaped recently but that does seem to be a global issue rather then specifically American, although the manifestation there has been interesting to watch but I appreciated that's just one perspective.

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