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To just say no?

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Roto · 10/10/2024 14:46

To keep this as concise as possible, MIL is batshit. MN have been telling me to go NC for years.

I did, two years ago. They exploded at us unreasonably in a restaurant, made baby DS cry, and really upset my husband. Me and DS have not seen them since, except one visit when they turned up outside, and then shouted at us about not inviting them in and said they hoped we got divorced. It was so aggressive, the neighbours from a few doors down came to make sure we were okay.

DH has had a very LC relationship with them. He often tells them he'll see them "soon", but has in reality met with them once since the incident, in January of this year.

Last week they kicked off that they are disappointed that they don't know DS, they don't feel they've done anything wrong, they miss DH and they're getting old, so will need care soon.

Me and DH talked about it, and I explained that they ruined my first pregnancy and the first six months of his life, and I am not willing to go through that again. DH feels they should, at some point, have the chance to "make amends", but agrees that there's no easy way to do that, and they probably haven't changed. They never do. His mum will cry and manipulate and then pretend that nothing ever happened and go back to what she wanted to do.

DH has told them that he'll go and see them next week. We didn't really have chance to talk about it much this morning. I would never tell him not to see them, but I don't want to be part of it, or DS. They're not reasonable, nice people. I truly don't believe it's worse for DS to have no grandparents than them. He is 3, and just accepts that this is how it is. That won't be the case if we introduce them and it all goes wrong again.

I suspect that DH seeing him calling his friend's granddad "Grandad" last weekend has prompted some of his feelings... but he does know that he is not his grandad. It's just what they call him, and the grandad himself is thrilled, and doesn't mind at all.

If he sees them, it's very likely to lead to his very emotionally manipulative mum saying they deserve to know their grandson etc, and then turning up here unprompted making a scene again... and we've had none of that for a year or so, which has been bliss. If he tells them I'm pregnant, I cannot see any way that they won't expect to be involved and turn up at the hospital again, etc. They didn't know my due date last time and turned up for 6 weeks "on the off chance" I was there.

Can I just opt out, here? I've been down this road so many times before. I've encouraged DH to get therapy or talk to friends about his sense of guilt and obligation, but he hasn't, yet.

Ironically we're debating a move far away, and I was really hoping they'd never need to know where we were, to be honest.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 10/10/2024 14:59

I've encouraged DH to get therapy or talk to friends about his sense of guilt and obligation, but he hasn't, yet.

He needs to make this a priority, he’s chosen to have two children and he owes it to them to model healthy functional relationships which mean his horrendous parents can’t ever be allowed near your family.

You’ve done exactly the right thing to protect yourself and DS and while you can’t and shouldn’t stop DH seeing them you can say you don’t want to hear anything about them and under no circumstances are they welcome in your home, at the hospital, near your children.

I’d definitely move as soon as you can and be clear with him that it’s awful he doesn’t have better parents and you feel sad for him but he owes it to you and your kids to keep that shit away from you all.

redtrain123 · 10/10/2024 15:05

I don’t think you can stop seeing dh seeing his parents. That would be unfair. I guess , seeing your son call someone grandad made him feel sad for the grandparent relationship your son is not experiencing (although I understand the reasons for this).

would you be happy for dh to meet his parents with dc at a neutral place such as the zoo?

WaterBuffalo · 10/10/2024 15:16

Do you have very good reasons for not wanting ds to have a relationship with them? I mean if you think they will cause hurt or injury to ds then that is a good reason but if there is a chance they could have a healthy relationship with ds then I'd reconsider and possibly let ds and dh see them on their own.

It's a pretty big deal being nc with a grand parent. I know both my parents and my inlaws would be heart broken and I'd be heart broken for them even though my relationship with mil is quite shaky.

Do whatever you think is best for ds and ask dh to do the same. As long as you are both acting in ds' best interest your conscience can be clear.

Roto · 10/10/2024 15:20

redtrain123 · 10/10/2024 15:05

I don’t think you can stop seeing dh seeing his parents. That would be unfair. I guess , seeing your son call someone grandad made him feel sad for the grandparent relationship your son is not experiencing (although I understand the reasons for this).

would you be happy for dh to meet his parents with dc at a neutral place such as the zoo?

I did say that I would never stop DH seeing his parents.

But no, his mum isn't reasonable in any place, she almost got us thrown out of a restaurant. There's no benefit to my son in meeting them. They've left my husband admitting that he's a lot happier without them around, but feeling guilty about not seeing them. He admits his mum has lived her life in misery, and FIL isn't much better.

They cut off DH's two half-brothers because she didn't want the reminder that FIL had had children with someone else, and broke the hearts of their grandchildren there. They can't now pretend they need to see ours.

They absolutely avoided him as a baby, hated his name, wouldn't hold him, made it clear they felt no connection to him and felt we'd made a mistake. His mum was furious DS wasn't a girl. I let them hold him when he was a day old, DH hated it and stood on guard until we got him back.

DH can't come up with any reason that it's good for DS to see them, either. He's not fussed about DS seeing them, but I imagine they'll mention it as clout, and he doesn't like to see his mum "any more miserable than she already is", in his words.

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Roto · 10/10/2024 15:23

WaterBuffalo · 10/10/2024 15:16

Do you have very good reasons for not wanting ds to have a relationship with them? I mean if you think they will cause hurt or injury to ds then that is a good reason but if there is a chance they could have a healthy relationship with ds then I'd reconsider and possibly let ds and dh see them on their own.

It's a pretty big deal being nc with a grand parent. I know both my parents and my inlaws would be heart broken and I'd be heart broken for them even though my relationship with mil is quite shaky.

Do whatever you think is best for ds and ask dh to do the same. As long as you are both acting in ds' best interest your conscience can be clear.

I don't think MIL has a healthy relationship with anyone. She doesn't care for DS. They believe in physical punishment and she "tapped" DS on the leg in the restaurant when he cried because she was shouting. Her shouting also upset the people on the next 2 tables, and the waitresses, and he was 9 months old...

He doesn't know them, now, so he can't be hurt by them, and he doesn't know what he's missing. I can't imagine DH's relationship with them will last, because he's sure that he doesn't want to see them more often, and they won't settle for once a year - so we'll go through the same rigmarole again.

I did suggest that we could all meet them, when DH felt it was a good time, but that we would introduce them to DS with their first names until everyone was happy that it was stable and they were reasonable about him, but that wasn't acceptable.

They haven't asked for a photo of him since they last saw him in Oct '21, they're not bothered.

DH can't think of a good reason to restart the relationship either, or that DS would get anything out of it. He doesn't even want his own relationship with them. I don't think I can justify passing that weight of expectation and guilt down to DS. He's happy as he is.

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Heretodayblownawaytomorrow · 10/10/2024 15:24

They will need care soon? Cheeky fuckers indeed.. Does dh see that's why they want him in their lives? We don't see my ils either.. Ds10 asked why he didn't have dgps a couple of years ago. We just said we don't see our dps and he accepted that. I haven't seen my dps for over 20 years. Ils snubbed ds 10 years ago. Then emailed all sorts of people when moved 45 mins away. We had lived 5 mins away and new r saw them! Stand firm op. Dh said a weight was lifted when we went nc.

Roto · 10/10/2024 15:25

But genuinely, that's why I'm here. To see if I'm reacting too emotively.

If it wasn't for DS, I'd probably end up going with DH to be moral support for him... but there's just no part of me that believes at all that it's in DS' interests to meet them or know them.

They're just horrible, horrible people. MIL is the most manipulative person I've ever met.

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Comedycook · 10/10/2024 15:27

You don't owe them anything....he can see them and try to build bridges but you have no obligation to.

Roto · 10/10/2024 15:27

Heretodayblownawaytomorrow · 10/10/2024 15:24

They will need care soon? Cheeky fuckers indeed.. Does dh see that's why they want him in their lives? We don't see my ils either.. Ds10 asked why he didn't have dgps a couple of years ago. We just said we don't see our dps and he accepted that. I haven't seen my dps for over 20 years. Ils snubbed ds 10 years ago. Then emailed all sorts of people when moved 45 mins away. We had lived 5 mins away and new r saw them! Stand firm op. Dh said a weight was lifted when we went nc.

My DH feels the same, but also a bit guilty about not seeing them.

Their last attempt was 6 months or so ago, when they threatened to disinherit DH. It didn't get a reply, so now we're back to "we're so old."

His mum will say anything to get her own way. She suggested she was terminally unwell to stop us moving abroad years ago. She pretended to be me to find out what gender our baby was and where my appointments were. She sobbed like someone had died to convince DH not to get married abroad.

There's no way DS won't be exposed to her nonsense. They already send him girls clothes with a manipulative note every few months. He's just a way to get at DH.

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WaterBuffalo · 10/10/2024 15:28

Roto · 10/10/2024 15:23

I don't think MIL has a healthy relationship with anyone. She doesn't care for DS. They believe in physical punishment and she "tapped" DS on the leg in the restaurant when he cried because she was shouting. Her shouting also upset the people on the next 2 tables, and the waitresses, and he was 9 months old...

He doesn't know them, now, so he can't be hurt by them, and he doesn't know what he's missing. I can't imagine DH's relationship with them will last, because he's sure that he doesn't want to see them more often, and they won't settle for once a year - so we'll go through the same rigmarole again.

I did suggest that we could all meet them, when DH felt it was a good time, but that we would introduce them to DS with their first names until everyone was happy that it was stable and they were reasonable about him, but that wasn't acceptable.

They haven't asked for a photo of him since they last saw him in Oct '21, they're not bothered.

DH can't think of a good reason to restart the relationship either, or that DS would get anything out of it. He doesn't even want his own relationship with them. I don't think I can justify passing that weight of expectation and guilt down to DS. He's happy as he is.

Oh no. They sound horrible. I see why you don't want ds around them and I missed that they are trying to get in touch with dh to discuss their care.

redskydarknight · 10/10/2024 15:30

I kept a relationship with my parents (who sound like your MIL) because I thought they should get to know their grandchildren.
Result was that once the children had got past the young and sweet years, they started abusing their grandchildren too. I'm now no contact and cursing myself for thinking I was doing the right thing

The only thing that would make me contact them again is if they freely admitted what they had done wrong, sincerely apologised and made changes to their behaviour. But as, like OP's MIL, they do not believe they have done anything wrong, this is not going to happen.

I agree that therapy would help DH to help him realise that none of this is his fault.

Lemonadeand · 10/10/2024 15:36

they miss DH and they're getting old, so will need care soon.

Well, it’s a shame you don’t care about them really then, isn’t it? They should have thought about that before being awful.

SensibleSigma · 10/10/2024 15:38

I would go with, ‘I understand why you feel sad about them, maybe even guilty that you can’t make them happy. The thing is, you will never be able to change them and it’s really important you don’t give them any ammunition to hurt DS and us the way they hurt you.’.

It would be like dancing to appease a storm. Far better to stay out of its path.

Maddy70 · 10/10/2024 15:49

You don't have to see them but it's very unfair to try to prevent your DH seeing his parents and it is his child too if he wants his child to see his parents he has every right

Jasmin71 · 10/10/2024 15:49

Please don't feel bad. I remember you previous post. Your DS has nothing to gain from these people. Sometimes people are just not equipped to be decent and your in laws sound exactly that way.

Heretodayblownawaytomorrow · 10/10/2024 15:49

Mil sent ds a first birthday present.. I sent it back recorded delivery.. Sadly fil followed suit and dumped ds.. Broke dh but he wasn't being manipulated to see his dm. She put the waterworks on when dh told her she wasn't come at out wedding... We hadn't seen her for 7 months...

Roto · 10/10/2024 15:51

Maddy70 · 10/10/2024 15:49

You don't have to see them but it's very unfair to try to prevent your DH seeing his parents and it is his child too if he wants his child to see his parents he has every right

I really clearly put in the OP that I would never stop DH from going - infact I will actively support it, if that's what he wants to do.

Thankfully he agrees that we make joint decisions about our child.

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Roto · 10/10/2024 15:53

Jasmin71 · 10/10/2024 15:49

Please don't feel bad. I remember you previous post. Your DS has nothing to gain from these people. Sometimes people are just not equipped to be decent and your in laws sound exactly that way.

It was so hard to make the story concise 😅

Honestly, I don't at all underestimate the benefit of good grandparents, and I've cried a lot of tears over the fact that DS doesn't have any. His in-laws are insane and my parents are dead. But... nobody seems to have any good reason why it's worth the risk of reintroducing them.

They've never been capable of changing. DH says his Dad has apologised to him for what happened in the restaurant, but neither of them have apologised to me, and his Mum is adamant they did nothing wrong. They rewrite history to suit them. I was stood with them when his Dad admitted that they knew just turning up was causing me a lot of distress, and he denied it a few weeks later when DH mentioned it, and said they had no idea.

I'd love to emigrate.

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Nightowl1234 · 10/10/2024 16:30

Roto · 10/10/2024 15:27

My DH feels the same, but also a bit guilty about not seeing them.

Their last attempt was 6 months or so ago, when they threatened to disinherit DH. It didn't get a reply, so now we're back to "we're so old."

His mum will say anything to get her own way. She suggested she was terminally unwell to stop us moving abroad years ago. She pretended to be me to find out what gender our baby was and where my appointments were. She sobbed like someone had died to convince DH not to get married abroad.

There's no way DS won't be exposed to her nonsense. They already send him girls clothes with a manipulative note every few months. He's just a way to get at DH.

Is this for real? She pretended to be you to discover your personal medical information????? That would have been the end right there for me. There should have been no way back from that!

Jasmin71 · 10/10/2024 16:40

Keep strong, hugs x

lordloveadog · 15/10/2024 17:10

Wow, batshit doesn’t begin to describe it.

His mother ‘tapped’ his 9 month old baby on his leg for crying? And HE feels guilty for their lack of contact?

No, you’re not being unreasonable to keep as much distance between yourself and those vicious lunatics as you possibly can

Disenchantedone · 15/10/2024 17:10

No. No. No.
Keep your son away from them, unless it is a short visit with your DH but he has to be told that if they start with nasty comments about you in front of DS that he leaves.
Move far far away!!! That is my advice. Imagine when they need care!!!! Caring is hard for family you do get on with, it will be hell on earth caring for them.

Yummarshmellows · 15/10/2024 17:21

We have toxic grandparents; including one who thought it was ok to send sexually suggestive WhatsApp messages to 18 ye old grand daughter.
if hubby wants contact; that’s on him
if he lets them see the kids ; it’s divorce.
no 2 ways about it for me .

Sjh15 · 15/10/2024 17:24

No way. Keep your son away from this. Dressing him in girls clothes with aggressive notes is enough for me.
my mum is quite toxic, I think she’s controlled by my stepdad. I’m NC with him and Lc with her since she threw childcare in my face and then forgot my baby shower last week. It’s hard. Hugs

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