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To really dislike Bridget Phillipson?

381 replies

Sensiblyplease · 08/10/2024 13:09

I just absolutely can’t stand the woman.

The lady seems to be making decisions based on personal prejudices and causing intentional division in our education system.
She’s not listening to anyone, and the consequences her decisions are having is far too impactful to ignore. As someone in her power she should model balanced politics, based on evidence, instead of in-sighting hate and division.

My children are in state school- we’ve had 3
more children come into their year group with SEN but no EHCPs as their previous independent schools could cope without one. The parents inform me it’ll take a few years and that’s if they get one- and then they can either go back to their previous independent school (as apparently they won’t have to pay VAT with an ECHP?) or have the help they need according to the results of the ECHP.

Im just so angry. I have nothing against these children and can understand they can’t afford the VAT increase and needed to move back into state schools, but it’s now really disrupted the class. The TA is apparently out the class all the time now and the class teacher has 32 children on her own. It appears that Bridget’s insistence and personal hate against the private sector is damaging to state school children. It’s really pissing me off - our children’s education is important and not to be messed around with.

I feel like the woman likes a good headline but is prepared to throw our children’s education away in order to meet her personal objectives / vendettas.

What is she actually doing for state schools? Her headline grabbing titles is deflecting from her actually trying to improve state education in any meaningful and impactful way. 6500 teachers - so my kids get 1/3 of a teacher for their school? That’s shocking. More children entering the state system now puts pressure on their school, and their teachers. What is she actually doing to address this. Where is she magic-ing these trained and qualified teachers from? What is she doing to retain teachers and help with their current work load?

I’m fed up with her agenda effecting normal people. We need someone with a level head to sort schools out. End of rant!

OP posts:
Boohoo76 · 09/10/2024 14:28

goodluckbinbin · 09/10/2024 13:42

I absolutely could, but I sure as hell don't want to pay it towards subsidising private school parents in any way. Pay your tax. I pay mine.

Fully expecting to pay more tax soon, and hoping that this new government put it towards education, NHS, public services rather than bailing out their rich banker-wanker mates.

And you have just shown that you have zero understanding of this issue and have fallen for Labour rhetoric hook, line and sinker. I have saved the taxpayer approx £100k so far by using independent schools. Please explain how I am being subsidised. It’s the other way round.

MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 14:28

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:27

The national debt is now double what it was then, immediately after the world financial crisis.

That’s a strawman, but perhaps you know that.

Another76543 · 09/10/2024 14:33

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:27

The national debt is now double what it was then, immediately after the world financial crisis.

How are Labour planning to improve that? By borrowing even more.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/09/wednesday-briefing-inside-labours-plan-to-move-the-fiscal-goalposts-and-tackle-debt

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:34

MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 14:28

That’s a strawman, but perhaps you know that.

Nope. You can’t complain about Labour leaving a big debt when the Tories doubled it.

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:35

Another76543 · 09/10/2024 14:33

States are not households. Borrowing to invest is basic Keynesian economics. It’s a good idea, unless you are so naive you think austerity works.

Sensiblyplease · 09/10/2024 14:41

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:27

The national debt is now double what it was then, immediately after the world financial crisis.

Oh yes that’s true since the world Covid crisis and the war with Russian and Ukraine 👍

OP posts:
MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 14:46

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:34

Nope. You can’t complain about Labour leaving a big debt when the Tories doubled it.

Cod economics in support of a fanatical aversion to private schooling.

Do share with us - what happened to you, for you to feel this so keenly?

Another76543 · 09/10/2024 14:47

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:35

States are not households. Borrowing to invest is basic Keynesian economics. It’s a good idea, unless you are so naive you think austerity works.

You were criticising the Conservatives for the increase in national debt. My comment was in response to that. So, the Conservatives increasing national debt is a bad thing, but the Labour Party increasing it further is a good thing?

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:54

Another76543 · 09/10/2024 14:47

You were criticising the Conservatives for the increase in national debt. My comment was in response to that. So, the Conservatives increasing national debt is a bad thing, but the Labour Party increasing it further is a good thing?

I was not. I was calling OP a hypocrite. She criticised Labour for “having no money left.”

As with all government debt, it depends how you use it. Borrowing to invest in theinfrastructure is the right choice, because you end up with an asset.

MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 14:57

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:54

I was not. I was calling OP a hypocrite. She criticised Labour for “having no money left.”

As with all government debt, it depends how you use it. Borrowing to invest in theinfrastructure is the right choice, because you end up with an asset.

Give me strength.

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:58

MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 14:46

Cod economics in support of a fanatical aversion to private schooling.

Do share with us - what happened to you, for you to feel this so keenly?

Your party, and a cabinet which was 60% public school alumni, absolutely fucked the country over 14 years and left us the laughing stock of Europe and most of the rest of world.

Somehow, the Tories managed to increase overall taxes to their highest level since the war, not invest in infrastructure and induce a huge increase in interest rates while stoking pointless culture wars.

Another76543 · 09/10/2024 14:58

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:54

I was not. I was calling OP a hypocrite. She criticised Labour for “having no money left.”

As with all government debt, it depends how you use it. Borrowing to invest in theinfrastructure is the right choice, because you end up with an asset.

The Labour manifesto said that they were going to reduce debt, suggesting they think that’s a positive thing to do.

“Our fiscal rules are non-negotiable and will apply to every decision taken by a Labour government. This means that the current budget must move into balance, so that day-to-day costs are met by revenues and debt must be falling as a share of the economy by the fifth year of the forecast.”

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 15:00

Another76543 · 09/10/2024 14:58

The Labour manifesto said that they were going to reduce debt, suggesting they think that’s a positive thing to do.

“Our fiscal rules are non-negotiable and will apply to every decision taken by a Labour government. This means that the current budget must move into balance, so that day-to-day costs are met by revenues and debt must be falling as a share of the economy by the fifth year of the forecast.”

You see where they say “day to day”? That’s different to borrowing to invest. If we grow the economy, the deficit decreases.

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 15:01

MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 14:57

Give me strength.

Learning basic economics would be more useful.

Boohoo76 · 09/10/2024 15:01

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:58

Your party, and a cabinet which was 60% public school alumni, absolutely fucked the country over 14 years and left us the laughing stock of Europe and most of the rest of world.

Somehow, the Tories managed to increase overall taxes to their highest level since the war, not invest in infrastructure and induce a huge increase in interest rates while stoking pointless culture wars.

Where did Liz Truss go to school?

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 15:06

Boohoo76 · 09/10/2024 15:01

Where did Liz Truss go to school?

All over the place. But they clearly didn’t have much to work with.

MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 15:07

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:58

Your party, and a cabinet which was 60% public school alumni, absolutely fucked the country over 14 years and left us the laughing stock of Europe and most of the rest of world.

Somehow, the Tories managed to increase overall taxes to their highest level since the war, not invest in infrastructure and induce a huge increase in interest rates while stoking pointless culture wars.

Ah ha, there we are.

Lets focus on your fiscal element. In just over 100
days in power, the spread between UK and German 10 year yields has reached its highest in over 12 months.

Why? On concerns that Reeves will have to increase debt because she can’t find the tax revenue. Investment and capital rightly took flight premised on rhetoric and union pay settlements. Good luck with your infrastructure.

MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 15:08

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 15:01

Learning basic economics would be more useful.

Tell me your vocation and background
and I will tell you mine.

Boohoo76 · 09/10/2024 15:12

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 15:06

All over the place. But they clearly didn’t have much to work with.

The answer is of course that she went to a state comp. She also went to Oxford just like Starmer, Reeves and Philipson. In fact, Oxford is the common denominator amongst Cabinet ministers and PMs across the Tory and Labour parties so why aren’t you blaming them instead of focusing on private schools?

EasternStandard · 09/10/2024 15:26

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 14:35

States are not households. Borrowing to invest is basic Keynesian economics. It’s a good idea, unless you are so naive you think austerity works.

And is there a point for you where debt is too high?

Eg do you look at France and Italy and think that’s good

thepariscrimefiles · 09/10/2024 15:26

dottiehens · 08/10/2024 14:44

Yes, horrible evil woman and someone who should not be in government in a civilised country. I hope she is forced to resign soon. Unfortunately, she is part of the loony pack that we have in power.

What a hyperbolic, ridiculous rant! I've seen some of your posts on other threads complaining about how unfair everyone was about the Tories and the lockdown parties so it is clear that you have no moral compass.

You sound like parody from the 1970s with their loony lefties rhetoric.

Non-conservative voters have had to put up with the former Tory Governments' incompetence, lying, Tory austerity and lack of any empathy for 14 years.

You can't manage 3 months of a government you didn't vote for.

MoneyNeverSleeps · 09/10/2024 15:27

Here’s one for you @DadJoke

You will like this.

Current UK/German 10 year spread is 195 bps -
up 30 bps since coming to power.

During the Truss budget? 222 bps.

Well, well, well.

goodluckbinbin · 09/10/2024 15:37

Boohoo76 · 09/10/2024 14:28

And you have just shown that you have zero understanding of this issue and have fallen for Labour rhetoric hook, line and sinker. I have saved the taxpayer approx £100k so far by using independent schools. Please explain how I am being subsidised. It’s the other way round.

I wasn't suggesting I was CURRENTLY subsiding - it was a response to 'ooh big bad Labour will make you pay more tax' - which is fine by me, because we all need to. And people who claim to be 'saving' 'taxpayer money ... CLEARLY don't understand how the tax system works... if that is the case somehow, then I have saved the taxpayer tons from being healthy and barely bothering the NHS, never needing any kind of benefit not even child benefit, and rarely bothering the state for owt. Well, o far anyway.
But that isn't how it works, is it??

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 15:41

EasternStandard · 09/10/2024 15:26

And is there a point for you where debt is too high?

Eg do you look at France and Italy and think that’s good

Yes, there is a point at which debt is too high. But PSNI can increase supply-side benefits, which combined with taxation can bring down the deficit and hence the debt.

DadJoke · 09/10/2024 15:45

Boohoo76 · 09/10/2024 15:12

The answer is of course that she went to a state comp. She also went to Oxford just like Starmer, Reeves and Philipson. In fact, Oxford is the common denominator amongst Cabinet ministers and PMs across the Tory and Labour parties so why aren’t you blaming them instead of focusing on private schools?

When 60% of the cabinet attended the same handful of schools, there is clearly a problem. Can’t you see that?