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Perimenopause anxiety - can it be this extreme?

30 replies

ByeByeBabyBabyTooth · 06/10/2024 11:59

Not asking for a diagnosis as will see GP next week but would appreciate views around anxiety with menopause - to understand how bad it can be!

I posted recently about overwhelming guilt about my kids, bottled water and microplastics thread here. I’ve always worried about their health but this is a whole other level and I am struggling to function with an all consuming guilt, can’t concentrate on work, thinking about the diseases growing in their body. I believe that they are damaged for life now and this was within my control to not have happen.

DSis suggested anti-anxiety meds as OCD runs in our family and they’ve been life changing for her.
However a friend linked me to Davinas menopause documentary and that has lots of mention about anxiety and mental state changing. Am late forties with no other symptoms, nothing showing up on blood tests, so hadn’t thought of menopause at all.

AIBU to think that this is too extreme for perimenopausal anxiety and it’s something else?

Thank you for replies - I’m the first of my friends to go through this so no one to ask in real life.

OP posts:
Loubelou71 · 06/10/2024 12:56

I am 48 and have no other symptoms but I have noticed a huge increase in my worrying. It's awful. It takes the form of health anxiety a lot. I panic I'm losing my hair or my boob looks different. I can reason with myself but it doesn't stop the awful feeling. I think it's to do with menopause.

Spinet · 06/10/2024 13:00

It probably is tbh. Doesn't mean you can't take anti anxiety meds though.

HappyStep1 · 06/10/2024 13:01

Yes.
Fully functional adult women, fell to pieces in peri.
Go over to the menopause threads, loads of really supportive women to help you.
Been a life saver for me Flowers

Foostit · 06/10/2024 13:13

Loubelou71 · 06/10/2024 12:56

I am 48 and have no other symptoms but I have noticed a huge increase in my worrying. It's awful. It takes the form of health anxiety a lot. I panic I'm losing my hair or my boob looks different. I can reason with myself but it doesn't stop the awful feeling. I think it's to do with menopause.

@Loubelou71 I’m exactly the same! Ridiculously anxious about the silliest of things but no other symptoms. I tried HRT but it made me gain weight and I got anxious about that so trying to manage it myself now. Any suggestions welcome.

Wefellinloveinoctober · 06/10/2024 13:28

Hi OP. I don't think any level of anxiety is too extreme to be caused by menopause. I lost 3 years of my life living like you are now. I was convinced I was dying, my children were dying. I was only 40 and according to the (male) GPs, it was too young for menopause (I'd been on the pill and they thought it was just taking a while for my cycle to return after coming off it).

I was acting normal in front of my children because I obviously didn't want to worry them, but it was killing me. Every time I went to the supermarket I was convinced there'd be a terrorist attack (supermarket in a very small, insignificant town, hardly prime terrorist spot). I'd get back in my car and couldn't stop visibly shaking. I was having panic attacks all day long without realising what they were, dizziness, shortness of breath, consistent palpitations. I used to be too scared to go to sleep at night because I was so sure I wouldn't wake up and then how would my children cope without me?

It was only after having a phone consultation with another (wonderful, female) GP about an unrelated issue that I brought up not having periods for so long (I'd convinced myself it must be caused by cancer and the secondary issue was a spread of the disease) that she said she thought I was in menopause. Blood test a week later and I was put on HRT patches, I was actually postmenopausal. It was only a month or so after being on the HRT that I woke up one day and realised I hadn't been worrying about my health. Everything completely vanished, physical symptoms included. I was able to look back and realised how it had controlled my life, the things I was thinking were crazy, but at the time it all seemed perfectly logical.

Luckily I have an amazing husband who was fantastic throughout, it must have been hard seeing his happy, always fun, cheerful wife turn into a shell of herself who was scared to go to sleep at night.

This was 8 years ago. Over the past 6 months those feelings have been slowly returning. The last few weeks my breathing has been terrible and the intrusive thoughts are back. I've a call booked with the same doctor in a weeks time to see if I can have my HRT dose increased, because, even though my mind is telling me I'm dying again, my logical side is trying to believe it's more likely to be the anxiety back.

Good luck OP. Please, please speak to a GP (and another if you are dismissed). I am petrified of going back to how I was before. For both my sake and the sake of my family too. We all deserve a happy me in the house!

Edited to say one male doctor told me I had anxiety (fair enough) and put me on diazapam and antidepressants. The same one who said I couldn't be menopausal. I didn't take the antidepressants but couldn't leave the house without the diazapam in my bag or I'd panic more. All I needed was HRT to fix the cause of the anxiety.

IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 06/10/2024 13:32

I can’t help OP as I’m 37 and not quite there yet, but it could very well be. Could I just ask though, is there anyone here who suffers from anxiety and panic disorder who is going through/has gone through menopause? I have a very bad time with anxiety/panic and I do take Escitalopram and propranolol for it. I’m worried when the time comes it will be even worse, which scares the shit out of me

ByeByeBabyBabyTooth · 06/10/2024 15:32

Thanks all for the replies - @Loubelou71 @Foostit for some reason I think that my anxiety is different as it was real - yes the DC have more microplastics in their blood than ‘normal’ which is more likely to impact their health. But maybe all anxiety is the same and it doesn’t matter what is behind it.

@Wefellinloveinoctober thank you so much for your long post - you’ve described it really well, I’m definitely loosing life to this. In my head it’s still all logical but I’m at a stage now where I’m worried that I’m going to fall deeper and deeper into whatever this is and struggle to come out ever.

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Skyrainlight · 06/10/2024 15:46

I have always been a bit of a worrier but in my 40s it has been out of control at times. I think it's been due to peri.

absolutelyhadenough · 06/10/2024 15:53

Yes I'm in this boat right now. Have restarted on ADs but the anxiety is extremely debilitating. I've stopped drinking and also started diazepam to take in the evening when I feel at my most anxious and fearful. Life shit isn't helping and my spiralling mind goes haywire. I also take HRT. No idea what else to do but grip on and hope the medication begins to help.

mildlydispeptic · 06/10/2024 15:59

Make sure they test your thyroid too, OP, as that sometimes packs in at the same time. I got quite mad around menopause and low thyroid was part of the problem.

ByeByeBabyBabyTooth · 06/10/2024 16:04

mildlydispeptic · 06/10/2024 15:59

Make sure they test your thyroid too, OP, as that sometimes packs in at the same time. I got quite mad around menopause and low thyroid was part of the problem.

Oh that’s interesting as I had my thyroid removed a few years back, bloods levels are ok but I’ve always had lots of hypo symptoms

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Wefellinloveinoctober · 06/10/2024 16:53

My irrational thoughts felt very rational to me at the time. It was only once the anxiety left I realised how bad I'd been.

Definitely go back to the GP. The anxiety may be the same from different causes but unless you know whats causing it you can only treat the anxiety rather than alleviate it by treating the cause (hope that makes sense!) Whatever the cause, they should be looking for it and treating accordingly. Thyroid or menopause tests are so quick, cheap and easy to do. There's no need for the GP not to do both.

You deserve to be enjoying life, living it as the person you are (or were). You shouldn't be suffering in silence.

ByeByeBabyBabyTooth · 06/10/2024 18:59

@Wefellinloveinoctober I hadn’t really appreciated that irrational thoughts could be an anxiety symptom until now

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RogerTaylorsdrumstool · 06/10/2024 19:06

I had general anxiety before menopause. Then it escalated hugely.
spoke to my gp and she said ..if you have anxiety before menopause, times it by a billion when you start Peri.
it's true for me

FieldNotes · 06/10/2024 19:26

I had extreme anxiety in my early 40s which sounds similar to yours OP, and was debilitating. The GP put me on the combined pill which worked, although I’ve had to come off it, so considering HRT now. Making sure I have enough Vitamin D has also helped me in the past with anxiety. Sorry you’re going through this, this is exactly the sort of fear that would trigger my anxiety, but it will get better. Good luck.

ByeByeBabyBabyTooth · 06/10/2024 20:15

@RogerTaylorsdrumstool well, looks like it might be true for me also so a good GP maybe

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ByeByeBabyBabyTooth · 06/10/2024 20:18

@FieldNotes and now, do you think ‘yes that’s a real worry but I can’t do anything about it’ or ‘yes, it’s a real worry but a tiny risk so irrational to focus on it’. Or something else? Thank you.

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FieldNotes · 06/10/2024 21:04

@ByeByeBabyBabyTooth now I think ‘that’s a thing I worried about when I was ill with anxiety.’ So in a sense I suppose I see it as not a real worry.

Honestly though, I hardly ever even think about those worries I used to have. They just don’t even cross my mind. They used to be so all consuming, I literally couldn’t stop thinking about them or get any relief. At that time I couldn’t imagine being in the place I am in now.

I have had CBT in the past which was also helpful, so that’s something to consider, but I would definitely be considering HRT as a possible option to help.

ByeByeBabyBabyTooth · 06/10/2024 21:25

@FieldNotes thank you so much for sharing, honestly you should be very proud of how far you’ve come as what you’ve described seems a world away from where my head is at and where it sounds like you were also.

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FieldNotes · 06/10/2024 21:33

@ByeByeBabyBabyTooth no problem, I hope it helps to know I know how you’re feeling…I really hope you find something to help you soon.

LegoTherapy · 06/10/2024 21:51

Hi OP, I'm 48 and have been in peri for years now but in the last few weeks the anxiety and palpitations have been horrible. I'm a worrier and anxious is my usual state of mind but this is totally different and I hate it. I bit the bullet and used the destroyed pump for the first time today to see if things settle down. I've tried most antidepressants in the past and they give me palpitations, stomach pains and debilitating headaches but didn't make me feel any better. I can cope with the mental anxiety but the physical symptoms freak me ok. I hope you find something that helps but I agree it's probably your hormones. Someone said to me once that we ARE our hormones because they control our bodies so much so when they are out of whack it has a detrimental effect beyond the misogynistic trope of being hormonal.

Lunellle111 · 05/12/2024 22:27

Hi OP! How are you doing? How did you get on at the GP?
I can resonate with everything you are going through, it's zero fun and difficult (and exhausting!) to keep going and put on a front for kids, parents and hubby etc.
I am also on the cusp of starting HRT, I have one week out of 4 where I would consider myself normal, the other three are consumed with irrational and intrusive thoughts. I have a 2 year old and a very full on job and I honestly have no quality of life.
I have seen so many other posters saying don't suffer in silence and wish they had of started HRT sooner, so I'm going to give it shot! 🤪

WrylyAmused · 06/12/2024 00:41

Lots of similar previous posts, but yes, also had really bad peri anxiety (and I was not at all an anxious person before, nor now when the hormones got sorted again), so yes, definitely see the GP, and keep on at them if you don't find a good one initially.

Other supplements I find useful include GABA or L-theanine (calming), and 5HTP (serotonin precursor, but be careful if also taking SSRIs)

Lunellle111 · 06/12/2024 13:04

WrylyAmused · 06/12/2024 00:41

Lots of similar previous posts, but yes, also had really bad peri anxiety (and I was not at all an anxious person before, nor now when the hormones got sorted again), so yes, definitely see the GP, and keep on at them if you don't find a good one initially.

Other supplements I find useful include GABA or L-theanine (calming), and 5HTP (serotonin precursor, but be careful if also taking SSRIs)

Thanks for sharing the names of those supplements, I hadn't heard about them and I'm not on any other medication so will definitely look into them.

Newgirls · 06/12/2024 13:08

Yes 💯 anxiety is made worse by falling and fluctuating hormones. The brain really struggles with this and puts you on ‘alert’.

you could try hrt for six months and keep a diary to see if it helps. For me it absolutely did.