To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

[Bumpitybumper]

I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

So, I gather the proposal is that only rich people should live in the pretty places, while all the poor people should jolly well move to the 'less desirable' places and stop moaning about the loss of their ties to family and community.

Quite depressing, really.

You betray your lack of understanding about farming there. Without farmers we rely on expensive (both environmentally and economically) imports. Young kids are being priced out of farming due to land being sold off to developers to build more housing in these desirable pretty areas. It is happening right in front of me in my village.
No farmers = no food but yeah let's just encourage more building in the countryside to create more flooding and put even more pressure on scarce local resources such as doctors and schools.
Your arrogance towards farming really shows your ignorance, maybe that's why there can be animosity towards incomers such as yourself. Families who have farmed for generations (often tenant farmers) being forced off the land so that people from the cities can have a nice view.
That's fine but then don't lament the UK as relying on foreign imports for food (especially meat when most welfare standards abroad are much power than those in UK).
"From farm to fork" and all the MN preferred artisan markets can't exist if there are no farmers.

It is relatively inexpensive compared to other areas of the UK. This is an objective fact.

You having an interesting job may well be at least partially an earned privilege. It is likely that you worked hard and made good choices for this to happen. The fact that you happen to have been born to a family that contributed to a local area for a long time should not afford you some weird unearned, generational privilege. If we start going down this path then where would this leave immigrants or those that due to poverty have had a family that have moved around more. These people through no fault of their own can never lay claim to an area in the way that you could. There is absolutely nothing an individual could do to earn the same entitlement as someone that happens to have been born to the right family in the right area get without doing anything at all.

Uh huh. So I assume YOU are a farmer then?

@twistyizzy - farming communities will have to adapt regardless as people increasingly move away from meat, as they already are.

No, I'm not ignorant just because I don't agree with you. I am not saying that farming is unimportant but that it is an occupation that requires a lot of land and isn't generally going to make it's workers rich. As a place becomes more expensive and more people want to live there then the economic viability of something like farming (and lots of other industries) decreases.

Not all rural areas are subject to these pressures in the UK. Food security is important but it needs to be managed in a practical and economically sensible way. Everyone knows that Notting Hill or Chelsea wouldn't be the best place to setup a farm. The same goes for other super desirable areas.

You realise farmers don't just produce meat. They produce: wheat (for bread), milk, rapeseed for oil (preferable to soya), linseed, lavender, honey, fruit, hay + straw for domestic animal use, soft fruit, mushrooms etc The list goes on and on.

'' and put even more pressure on scarce local resources such as doctors and schools.'

Spoken like a true Brexiteer.

Nope, affordable housing should be available everywhere for key workers. I just don't think this housing should be allocated to local people by default.

Oh Lord another sweeping assumption coming to the wrong conclusion. So because I live rurally and support farming I voted Brexit? Prejudiced much?!

ArabellaScott · Today 13:12

So, I gather the proposal is that only rich people should live in the pretty places, while all the poor people should jolly well move to the 'less desirable' places and stop moaning about the loss of their ties to family and community.
Quite depressing, really.

No more depressing than having a ring block around desirable areas, for the few that have the fortune of being born in the place. It's ridiculous. You are hardly supporting a meritocracy.

Agree. So parochial it’s awful really. Sort of like NIMBYism. Same sort of selfish me me me.

Yes of course farmers don't only produce meat. But those who do primarily produce meat will hopefully soon be few and far between and they will need to adapt as consumer tastes change.
Liverpool had to adapt when shipbuilding ended. The last coal fired power station had just closed. Mining towns had to adapt when we shifted away firm coal. And farmers will have to adapt as we shift away from meat farming practices, many of which are abhorrent. As humans evolve places change. Otherwise they become obsolete.

They are already doing that but I go back to my previous point, if there is no land to farm then there will be no farmers and we will all be eating food grown in labs. Not a dystopia I want.
However as you are so acutely prejudiced your opinion really doesn't matter to me

twistyizzy
Sorry, but the way you talked about pressure on schools and doctors from 'incomers' sounds exactly like Farage when he's talking about immigrants.

Everywhere - cities, farming areas, coastal areas, suburbia - has 'incomers' of some description. Whether they're moving from down the road, other parts of the UK or abroad. And everywhere has 'outgoers' too. Such is human history and always will be.

@twistyizzy I think you must have unfortunately missed my earlier question. What do YOU farm?

It's the truth though. Housing estates being built with no thought as to amenities and infrastructure = no svhool places, doctors full, no public transport so more traffic on the roads. All driven by greed of developers.

Why does it matter? So only if I farm something can i have an opinion?

Apparently the UK uses more land for golf courses than for the growing of fruit and vegetables (about 2 per cent of total land). If we are concerned about food security, we should probably be asking hard questions about golf courses, rather than refusing the building of housing. Housing shortages are also a major factor behind young people leaving rural areas.

This, by a man who grew up in a village near Leeds and has worked in fruit picking as an adult, was interesting. It also talks about the EU, but scroll down a bit to see discussion about housing and NIMBYism.

https://www.tomforth.co.uk/strawberries/

”Traffic has increased around the Balloon Tree farm shop in the past decade as more people wait to enter and exit the car park. That was a main reason why it took years to secure planning permission to expand.
“In the nearest town, Stamford Bridge, the old single-lane bridge on the main road causes longer tailbacks than it once did. Plans to expand the bridge to two lanes have been discussed since I was a child but in the face of considerable local objections are no closer to happening today. The Balloon Tree’s business rates have helped fund a cycle lane from the town to Gate Helmsley that has helped a bit, but most people prefer to drive.
“Many people in Bishop Wilton, the village where I grew up, lament the change brought about by agricultural labour being done by fewer and fewer people. Bishop Wilton’s farms have closed, driven out by high house prices and local complaints about the smell of manure they were bought by farms from outside of the village to form larger more efficient units. With them went the petrol station, the agricultural engineers, and a short-lived furniture factory. The village shop and post office teeters on the edge of viability and the pub survives only by selling meals to tourists. A village that housed 1200 people at its agricultural peak now houses less than half that number. It rejects growth and then laments the changes that its self-imposed stagnation brings.
“The village has robustly refused to build enough new housing to maintain its population. That means that all of my generation — even those with children who would love to return — have left for the cities.
“A 2-bedroom bungalow in Bishop Wilton costs over £200k today. I can buy a 2-bed home in central Leeds for half that. There is no way that a young family doing agricultural work could ever afford this. No homes are available to rent for miles. I know of only two friends who still work in Bishop Wilton. One is the village school’s head teacher and her husband runs his Dad’s recording business. They both live in York and commute back to the countryside every day.”

Don't disagree with you about golf courses/priorities

I think on balance the CI have it right. Without housing restrictions the islands wouldn't be affordable for locals, well even less affordable than they are now!

A 'ring block'? Where on earth have you got that idea from?

The CI are a crown dependency so completely different than tourist areas actually in the UK. They are financially self sufficient and have a level of autonomy that areas in the UK don't have.

Nowhere in the UK would be able to enact these kinds of policies. It would raise huge practical and ethical questions, especially if the area was in receipt of state subsidies.

Well because your argument seems to be that the countryside (or beautiful places) should be kept for the farmers. So seems pretty hypocritical to me.

Have you seen property prices in Jersey? I don't think they are affordable for locals.