To detest people that think they own beautiful parts of the world?

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I grew up in a very ugly and undesirable part of the country and now live in a tourist hotspot. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people that are born and raised here trying to restrict tourism or stop 'outsiders' moving here. The houses are expensive here because it's such a lovely place to live but there isn't much employment except for from tourism. Despite this many locals that I know feel that tourism should be restricted as it makes the town extremely busy in high season. They also think housing should be subsidised for locals.

I feel that there are only so many beautiful places and those lucky enough to be born in them are no more entitled to live and enjoy them than the rest of us who by luck were born elsewhere. This would effectively condemn future people like me to live and visit only the less desirable of areas whilst my children could stay in this lovely area and be subsidised for doing so. It just feels incredibly unfair!

Re older people retiring to these kinds of areas: they are not breaking any laws, nor should they be, but there should be some sort of government information campaign directed at ensuring that people are at least making a fully informed decision

It's very silly for elderly people to move somewhere without decent public transport.

And some areas are really struggling with their healthcare. It's not exactly good anywhere in the UK, but it's definitely less bad in some areas than others. But it's not helpful when "everyone" wants to retire to Torquay or Worthing.

Nobody wants people not to visit Skye, ever. But too many tourists is a HUGE problem. The tourist tax will help a bit but will only cover people staying overnight on the island. Personally I'd prefer to see a £50 tax on each non-resident vehicle crossing the bridge

Not quite the same but where I grew up the parking charges went up after Easter and reduced after October half term. Locals could get a season ticket, and also got free entry to some of the local attractions. And this was back in the 1980s.

This happens in Cornwall now.

Ugh I hate this attitude as well. I totally understand why people resent the second homes. But everyone seems to have a problem with people from London in particular moving to their area. Maybe have a think about why that happens. It's because Londoners can't bloody afford to buy in London because people from every single part of the UK and also from other countries move to London (where they are very welcome BTW - we're mostly immigrants here!) but that does mean us Londoners can't afford to buy (or even rent a lot of the time) and end up moving into other areas, where people all resent us!!

I want to go back to the OP's seeming lack of empathy for people who feel attached to the place they were born and grew up and who is often a deep sense of home. This is a global problem, sometimes due to war and aggression, but also due to capitalism. I think it does need to be properly managed, and while she might think that the locals she talks about are in the wrong or have expressed themselves clumsily it's very understandable for people who have deep roots in a particular place to feel frustrated or upset when they feel excluded from that very place. It's natural to be upset when a sense of belonging is disrupted by forces beyond your control, and for some people that belonging means a deep connection to where they and their families have lived all their lives.

Something to consider in terms of discussions of loss of identity and heritage is non-tangible heritage (as recognised by UNESCO). Just as certain buildings and landscapes are environmentally protected, so too in some countries are certain ways of life or linguistic communities. This is in recognition that they represent a common good that once lost is usually lost forever. Unimpeded global capitalism and consumerism doesn't 'care' about specificity, history and identity and yet every year indigenous languages are lost and people are unable to stay in their home places. There has to be a balance between isolation / xenophobia / NIMBYISM and then the ability to stay attached to place and the sustaining of local cultures.

Tourism is a bit of a monster that eats itself when unmanaged. In many countries, governments look to encourage the development of more long-term industries and businesses in particular areas so as to have a more sustainable economy. In Ireland, Gaeltacht (Irish-speaking areas) have been decimated by second home owners and air b n b businesses. This involves massive linguistic and cultural loss, and once it's gone it's extremely hard to get it back.

Well a major problem in London is not so much people moving there but rather massive global investment firms buying up tracts of housing and then leaving it empty or raising the rents so as to extract maximum profit. Part of the heritage of London is its cosmopolitanism and mixing of cultures - so it's rather different than a small village that loses its core services such as schools due to people treating it as just somewhere to holiday rather than a sustainable community.

Right. But I said I understand the point about holiday let's. It's people complaining about Londoners moving into an area I can't stand. Where are we meant to go if we can't afford to live locally either? Most os us would also like to be able to live near our families

"Part of the heritage of London is its cosmopolitanism and mixing of cultures" also while this is true - and we love the multiculturalism here it doesn't take away from the fact that just as many people (or more actually since there are more Londoners) who have just as strong family connections here as people in small villages. My dad's family come from Lambeth for at least 6 generations - maybe longer but I just don't know. But there is absolutely no way my kids will afford to live there. Me and DH have managed to buy somewhere but have had to go out to the suburbs and zone 5. I'm not blaming the people who move here btw. Just saying I think people elsewhere should stop blaming the Londoners! (Unless of course those Londoners are buying holiday let's that sit empty for 50 weeks a year. In that case go ahead and blame them all you like!)

I hear you, and I'm not blaming anyone for anything other than when people don't seem to have any empathy for families wanting to stay close to their roots whether they're in Lambeth, Yorkshire or the Isle of Skye. Oh and the people who buy holiday lets and leave them empty too!

Sorry yes I know what you mean - I don't go around complaining about Londoners! And I don't think nobody should move - just that the OP and others should have at least some sympathy for people who feel shut out of their home place.

I’m from Wales and I do understand the issues, I’ve seen the place I grew up become gentrified, over priced housing, second homes and air B and Bs are more prevalent than rentals and god forbid you want a starter home on a mortgage. On top of that, incomers have been known to be incredibly rude about the language and culture. Especially those who move into the area and are shocked that people actually are Welsh first language, and to work/integrate it’s expected to learn some of the basics. Yes, tourism is needed, but not at the cost of wiping out old/historical communities.

Going on the OP's logic, if it's a pretty place then everyone who can afford it should be able to live there, and all but the richest locals can be displaced and the language and culture dies.

So blind to your own entitlement. I grew up in a beautiful place which is now crazy expensive so younger people are often priced out (I am the younger generation). It's life.

That’s what I’m saying. People who were born and raised in beautiful places should be able to rent or buy in those places. I’ll be charitable and presume you misread.

I certainly don’t think I’m entitled to live in a beautiful place and I certainly don’t. Because I can’t afford it.

Freakydeak · Yesterday 14:40
I see the virtues in restricting housing and wish it was a nationwide policy to protect people from education tourists too.

I just despair at this post. Unbelievably depressing.

All our local DFLs are early retirees who have sold up in London and decided to move to the country, buy a fuck-off massive Range Rover (that they are incapable of reversing on single-track roads) and generally act like the worst, most entitled people imaginable. Oh, and massive racists to boot. "We didn't move here to be surrounded by bloody foreigners... At least they're white..."

This! The poster is also most likely someone who wouldn't welcome refuges etc - afterall, they own that part of the world! They can't even see their own entitlement.

But then I bet loads of your young people are moving to London, which means more strain on London property and jobs and probably don't know how to drive in a city. There see, works both ways. They're welcome btw. Most Londoners I know are a welcoming bunch. Just turning your words round on you

It’s not Londoners per se, Londoners is a catch all for wealthy middle class entitled folk cashing in on the price differential between north and south in the main. Or anywhere house prices are not equal. Unfortunately it usually is people from the south east and they generally work in London.

No they don't. HTH

This is why, post covid, many people are moving out to more remote areas.

This thread started wtih an aggressive assertion about 'detesting' people, which is a shame as it's a complex issue/mix of issues that could really use level headed discussion.

I've been an 'outsider' and an 'incomer' and I am now in a rural remote area that is seeing a big influx of outsiders and incomers as well as tourists, all of which impact on locals, in some positive and some negative ways.

So I can see arguments on both sides. We're all tourists and incomers sometimes, and we're all locals when at home.

Incomers can bring fresh ideas and enthusiasm, but also assumptions and ignorance of local ways of life. Tourists can bring money and opportunities but also put strain on services. Holiday homes can renovate derelict houses and bring tourists, but also impact on housing availability and community cohesion. Intangible things like culture and tradition and family and history are not just nothing issues to be brushed aside in favour of economic arguments.

The fact that you cannot see the irony in calling the poster 'selfish' is mind-blowing.

The alternative is supporting unearned and state subsidised intergenerational privilege. I am shocked how many people can't understand this!

If we want to maintain local cultures then we need to stop the movement of people into all communities. This isn't practical or desirable for anyone.

So you think money should be able to buy you whatever you want?

There are more important things to society than who has the most money.