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To ask how I can successfully ringfence this money? (Please don’t post for moral judgement)

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Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:26

I am a single parent to a 3 year old who will start school in the next two years. I have saved up a significant amount of money for schools fees. As a single parent I am constantly worried about job loss or anything else that could affect things. I am aware that if for some reason I was made redundant, for example, if I have more than a certain amount in savings then I would be expected to use this before claiming universal credit etc.

I have no intention of claiming universal credit but life happens and I have to be conscious of the potential things that could happen.

My question is, is there any way to put this money in an account for my child that would be protected as theirs and not counted in an assessment for universal credit etc should that ever happen?

Please don’t make this is a private school bashing thread or about playing the system etc. I’ve worked hard all my life and intend to continue to do so. Thanks.

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Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:43

Mishmashs · 02/10/2024 14:37

Hmmm I’m pretty sure I’ve seen adds for education fund investment plans, that you pay into gradually so by the time your kids goes to private school you’ve built up a few years fees. That kind of thing?

from my reading I don’t think the OP is expecting the govt to pay her kid’s private school fees, just if she is made redundant and needs help while she looks for another job, she needs to keep the school fees she has saved up specifically for their purpose, is that correct?

@Mishmashs yes that is correct

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redskydarknight · 02/10/2024 14:44

Agree with others. If you are skint enough to need universal credit, then will private school really be a priority?

You might be better off using the money to build an emergency savings buffer or insurances to cover a break in work/loss of job.

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:44

Mrsttcno1 · 02/10/2024 14:31

No you can’t OP, this is called deprivation of capital

@Mrsttcno1 i thought this initially but you can have savings for children in their own account so I think there is a way to keep it separate I’m just not sure exactly what or how it would work

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Freakydeak · 02/10/2024 14:44

No. You will be caught for intentionally depriving yourself of assets.

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:44

redskydarknight · 02/10/2024 14:44

Agree with others. If you are skint enough to need universal credit, then will private school really be a priority?

You might be better off using the money to build an emergency savings buffer or insurances to cover a break in work/loss of job.

@redskydarknight yes it would be a priority for me

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Freakydeak · 02/10/2024 14:45

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:44

@Mrsttcno1 i thought this initially but you can have savings for children in their own account so I think there is a way to keep it separate I’m just not sure exactly what or how it would work

They ask for bank statements and will find it.

honeylulu · 02/10/2024 14:45

Can you take legal advice about setting up a trust for education expenses with your daughter as beneficiary and you as trustee? The money would not be legally yours and you would only have control for specific purposes (authorising payment of education fees).

Morally I think it's not great but that's not what you asked.

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:45

Tellysavelas · 02/10/2024 14:36

I think if you put the money in an account in
your child’s name then you won’t be able to withdraw from the account to pay her school fees.

I would speak to a lawyer about setting up a trust for your dd with you as the trustee.

@Tellysavelas thank you

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honeylulu · 02/10/2024 14:45

Can you take legal advice about setting up a trust for education expenses with your daughter as beneficiary and you as trustee? The money would not be legally yours and you would only have control for specific purposes (authorising payment of education fees).

Morally I think it's not great but that's not what you asked.

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:45

honeylulu · 02/10/2024 14:45

Can you take legal advice about setting up a trust for education expenses with your daughter as beneficiary and you as trustee? The money would not be legally yours and you would only have control for specific purposes (authorising payment of education fees).

Morally I think it's not great but that's not what you asked.

@honeylulu thanks, hadn’t thought about a trust

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IVFmumoftwo · 02/10/2024 14:46

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:44

@Mrsttcno1 i thought this initially but you can have savings for children in their own account so I think there is a way to keep it separate I’m just not sure exactly what or how it would work

If you don't have access to them but if you need them to pay school fees so not the case.

pinkyredrose · 02/10/2024 14:46

Send her to State, it'll be loads cheaper. As you're so worried about money

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:46

Boltonb · 02/10/2024 14:34

This is literally a thread about playing the system. If you lose your job etc, you want the public to cover your costs which include private school fees? Are you off your tits?

@Boltonb i suppose I could have been ‘off my tits’ while working to the bone to save it, rather than claiming UC all this time too?

Just a thought

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doradoo · 02/10/2024 14:47

Can you set up a trust in your son's name with the explicit purpose of paying for fees — the trustees then payout as and when necessary? May be an ongoing cost of managing the trust but could keep money ringfenced. You'd need legal advice to see if it's at all possible

TrumpIsACuntWaffle · 02/10/2024 14:47

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IVFmumoftwo · 02/10/2024 14:47

Why are you so set on private?

TrumpIsACuntWaffle · 02/10/2024 14:47

pinkyredrose · 02/10/2024 14:46

Send her to State, it'll be loads cheaper. As you're so worried about money

This.

Bachboo · 02/10/2024 14:47

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:42

@InformerYaNoSayDaddyMeSnowMeIGoBlameALickyBoom im asking if there is a way to protect my child’s school fees. It’s not playing the system, I have no intention of using the system at all. I hope to never have to.

It is playing the system. You want to keep the money for school fees and claim Universal credit at the same time rather than use those saving to live. There is no way my taxes should be used to enable you to do this. Absolutely appalling attitude.

InformerYaNoSayDaddyMeSnowMeIGoBlameALickyBoom · 02/10/2024 14:48

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:42

@InformerYaNoSayDaddyMeSnowMeIGoBlameALickyBoom im asking if there is a way to protect my child’s school fees. It’s not playing the system, I have no intention of using the system at all. I hope to never have to.

Wanting to ring-fence money that you've saved for a specific purpose while claiming from the state is absolutely playing the system.

No difference to saving for a holiday, or car, or house deposit.

If you have money then use it before claiming benefits. Benefits are a safety net, you already have a safety net.

I say this as someone who saved up a fair bit of money, then dd became disabled and I had to use it before claiming benefits.

Freakydeak · 02/10/2024 14:48

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 02/10/2024 14:49

Take out unemployment insurance so you don't have to claim benefits if you lose your job.

redskydarknight · 02/10/2024 14:49

Jaalp · 02/10/2024 14:44

@redskydarknight yes it would be a priority for me

Over eating and keeping a roof over your head? Buying clothes for your child? Paying essential bills?

Private school is not the be all and end all.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 02/10/2024 14:50

We all work hard. That doesn't mean we're entitled to defraud the taxpayer.

Crikeyalmighty · 02/10/2024 14:51

@Bachboo totally agree- UC isn't intended to pay for people who have plenty of money but want to prioritise something else and be able to claim - how about OP I set up a crikeyalmighty fund towards future holidays and stick it away so that I don't have to use it towards living costs and can claim full UC if I ever need it- I see no difference-

Freakydeak · 02/10/2024 14:52

Crikeyalmighty · 02/10/2024 14:51

@Bachboo totally agree- UC isn't intended to pay for people who have plenty of money but want to prioritise something else and be able to claim - how about OP I set up a crikeyalmighty fund towards future holidays and stick it away so that I don't have to use it towards living costs and can claim full UC if I ever need it- I see no difference-

She could set us all up a fund as she clearly has too much money to know what to do with it