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Given the world conflict situation are fireworks in bad taste?

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MatildaTheCat · 02/10/2024 14:00

I will preface this by saying that I’m no fan of fireworks anyway especially domestic ’ displays’ consisting of endless huge bangs which scare my dog into a state of terror.

Watching the news recently it occurs to me that seeing endless bombings of innocent civilians, many of whom are children, is essentially what firework displays are emulating. Bonfire night was originally meant to celebrate the events of the gunpowder plot to blow up Westminster. Terrorism in other words.

Is it not just a monumental waste of money and in incredible poor taste to have celebrations of this sort as people are literally being killed by actual explosives and not so very far from us?

Is there a better way of holding an autumnal celebration without using explosives?

OP posts:
thomasinacat · 02/10/2024 17:27

Remember, remember
The fifth of November
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot
I see no reason
Why Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot

I know PP have already mentioned, but it bears repeating - Bonfire Night is to celebrate that a terrorist plot failed, not to celebrate the plotters actions!

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 02/10/2024 17:59

The gunpowder plot was a little over 400 years ago. I doubt there has been a single moment in that hasn't had armed conflict somewhere across the globe. What makes this group of affected people more important? It is always sad, but we can't put all lives across the globe on hold every time there is a war. If you don't like fireworks, just argue the case for that.

hairbearbunches · 02/10/2024 18:03

They're bad for the environment and they terrify wildlife.

MurdoMunro · 02/10/2024 18:05

@SprigatitoYouAndIKnow I’m one of the ‘haters’ I suppose but i haven’t got any further than saying that I find the particular noise of them troublesome and have explained why. I don’t have a case for banning them to make for you, but I do think it’s acceptable to say I don’t care for them. Same to @Rass, you’ve gone off like a rocket there!

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 02/10/2024 18:09

Pretty fireworks are not the same as bombs landing on your home.

One is for entertainment and the other for killing.

HTH

StMarieforme · 02/10/2024 18:13

I'm off to some much loved fireworks in Derbyshire on Saturday. I correlation whatsoever with a war anywhere.

TickingAlongNicely · 02/10/2024 18:14

Just from a safety point of view, I think they should be restricted to registered displays.

Our Local Council gives funding to registered displays to encourage people to attend them rather than buying their own.

Rass · 02/10/2024 18:18

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BrieHugger · 02/10/2024 18:20

Loud fireworks should be on 5th November only. No issue with smaller silent ones the rest of the year. I don’t think they should be sold in supermarkets though, there should be some sort of restrictions on who can buy them and in what quantity and category.

AgileGreenSeal · 02/10/2024 18:20

okayhescereal · 02/10/2024 14:50

Very unlikely to admit this IRL as wouldn't want to be labelled a total fun sponge but I have gone right off fireworks. I always loved them growing up/as a young adult, but as I've become more aware of human impact on wildlife, pollution levels etc, and then additionally given consideration to what loud bangs and explosions may remind certain people of (PTSD etc) it now makes me uncomfortable on a multitude of levels. Not just at this time of year, but new year and other occasions too. Feels like one of those things where it's enjoyable to many, but at a cost to many others including a great many pets and wild creatures who spend night after night in a state of high stress just so humans can enjoy some pretty colours and loud noises.

Do think those saying if you weren't going to do them because of the current conflicts then it would be basically saying ban them forever because there always seems to be a war somewhere. That wouldn't be my main motivation to move away from them tbh. Not sure it would unite the masses.

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additionally given consideration to what loud bangs and explosions may remind certain people of (PTSD etc)”

thank you.
I’m one of those “certain people”.

CranfordScones · 02/10/2024 18:22

To the people saying it's a celebration of democracy / anti-terrorism etc - twaddle! Democracy is a relatively recent innovation.

Historically, it's an anti-catholic celebration.

BobbyBiscuits · 02/10/2024 18:23

It's normal for Guy Fawks, Halloween, Eid and Diwali. Why should legitimate festivals have to be censored and people's fun spoiled because there are wars on. I can't speak for whether letting off fireworks in an actual warzone is a good idea or not, but here in the UK it's perfectly safe and positive to celebrate these things in the traditional fashion.

idrinkandknowthings · 02/10/2024 18:23

I love fireworks, I love bonfire night. My favourite smell in the world is Bonfire Night. I would however like to see private displays banned for any day including New Years Eve other than the 5th of November, if not completely, but not because it's in bad taste, but for wildlife and animals.

It isn't in bad taste. Bad taste would be setting them off because we all like to hear the sounds of bombs going off. But it's not about that is it?!

I would like to see children being taught why Guy Fawkes and his co-conspirators did what they did in a lot more depth though rather than the blanket 'Guy Fawkes was nasty and we hate him'. Perhaps then they can understand what happens when religions/peoples are oppressed, they can learn what happened to Catholics in this Kingdom leading to their decision to conduct 'the plot'. That's a good lesson. Anyway, went off on a tangent there! Sorry!

MyTaupeHare · 02/10/2024 18:23

The world is always in conflict. Did that ever stop you before?

TeenLifeMum · 02/10/2024 18:27

I love fireworks night. It’s one of the few times a year that communities gather together for a fun evening across the country. I’d be sad to lose that.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee · 02/10/2024 18:29

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Outnumberedmummy2022 · 02/10/2024 18:29

Ablondiebutagoody · 02/10/2024 14:10

5th November. Guy Fawkes. Its our history not some generic, wishy washy Autumnal celebration. We burn an effigy of Guy on the fire so hardly a celebration of terrorism either.

Also I frikking love fireworks. And burning stuff. Yabu.

I hate fireworks they terrify me. But I’ll happily sit inside- I agree with this post 100%

MurdoMunro · 02/10/2024 18:29

AgileGreenSeal · 02/10/2024 18:20

additionally given consideration to what loud bangs and explosions may remind certain people of (PTSD etc)”

thank you.
I’m one of those “certain people”.

Pulling up a chair to sit with you on the ‘certain people’ table @AgileGreenSeal Tricky time of year isn’t it, much love.

Justice4Friend · 02/10/2024 18:30

Fireworks, bonfires, BBQs, pit fires, smokey huts - all need to be banned.

Goldenbear · 02/10/2024 18:31

CranfordScones · 02/10/2024 18:22

To the people saying it's a celebration of democracy / anti-terrorism etc - twaddle! Democracy is a relatively recent innovation.

Historically, it's an anti-catholic celebration.

Well in Sussex it's a huge celebration and in Lewes in particular they are commemorating the Lewes Protestants who were burned at the stake in Lewes, these executions were part of the Marian prosecution of Protestants during the reign of Mary I. I don't think it is as simple as stating it is anti-Catholic.

AgileGreenSeal · 02/10/2024 18:32

MurdoMunro · 02/10/2024 18:29

Pulling up a chair to sit with you on the ‘certain people’ table @AgileGreenSeal Tricky time of year isn’t it, much love.

I’ll put the kettle on @MurdoMunro

Heard one last night… they go all through October in this neck of the woods.
oh well- much love to you too xx

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 18:36

StMarieforme · 02/10/2024 18:13

I'm off to some much loved fireworks in Derbyshire on Saturday. I correlation whatsoever with a war anywhere.

I'm sure civilians being bombed relentlessly in Gaza and Lebanon will express mild annoyance at the IDF, while reserving the real anger for you and the local kids waving sparklers around. You monster.

Hatty65 · 02/10/2024 18:38

I'm not a fan of fireworks.

I've rarely heard anything as ludicrous as suggesting because there are bombs in the world it might be offensive to have fireworks night.

Is there nothing that people can't work themselves up over nowadays?

ginasevern · 02/10/2024 18:41

Pinkandbluesocks · 02/10/2024 16:25

I think we're right on time! Entitled pet owners complaining are a real fixture of the Mumsnet October.

It's not about entitled pet owners, it's about the entitlement of the human race. Why is it OK to terrorise and literally frighten to death other creatures that we share the planet with. Have you any idea of the horrifying effect of fireworks on wildlife? Have you any idea of the depraved torture inflicted on defenceless creatures by kids with fireworks? I guess I'm wasting my breath because none of this means a damn thing to you, but maybe stop, think and read up on the price that's paid every year for this tradition.

Thursdaygirl · 02/10/2024 18:41

Appalonia · 02/10/2024 16:55

Just don't see how the two are related. There's little enough joy and fun in the world as it is, do you want to ban EVERYTHING Just in case someone, somewhere is offended? I'm that case it's a pretty long list OP...

This is exactly what I just said to DH!

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