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Grammar Police v Wedding Party *MNHQ tweaked title at OP's request*

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WillLiveLifeAgain · 01/10/2024 15:27

I'm usually OK with grammar but this one has me scratching my head. Probably lack of sleep (not over this).

Went to a wedding at the weekend. They had one of those neon signs with their surname but added an apostrophe. So it said

The Smith's (name changed)

Shouldn't it have said The Smiths? There were four of them including children. Not one belonging to something/someone.

I'm very happy to be proved wrong. I'm not a grammar nazi but would hope something like that would have been right?

I know this is AIBU so disclaimer obviously what matters is the happy marriage of two loving people not an apostrophe.

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Holdyourpeace · 01/10/2024 19:10

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Errors · 01/10/2024 19:10

butterpuffed · 01/10/2024 18:49

In a town near me, a Barber has a large sign outside his shop with Cushty Cut's on it.

That is disgusting

TeaHagTeaBag · 01/10/2024 19:14

imagiantwitch · 01/10/2024 19:05

Can I ask a question. My surname is Atkins. So if describing my family as a whole, would it be ‘The Atkins’s’? I’ve always wondered this. Sorry I’m too dumb to know, I was barely educated and grew up in poverty.

No apologies are ever needed for trying to understand something. Does this example make sense?

John and Mary Atkins (no plural, no apostrophe) have 4 children. The Atkins (collective Atkins, no apostrophe) family went to the park to meet some friends. While they were there, the Atkins's (belonging to the family, apostrophe s) dog played with the Smith's (belonging to the Smith family, apostrophe s) dog. The Smiths bought everyone ice cream (plural, no apostrophe).

Holdyourpeace · 01/10/2024 19:17

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MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 19:18

Used to be a shop near me called Daves Pet's.

I kid you not.

floradora · 01/10/2024 19:25

Boskit · 01/10/2024 15:37

I loathe the term 'grammar nazi'. There's nothing fascistic about being able to use one's native language with accuracy and discrimination. Once upon a time they used to teach it in schools - imagine!

I loathe it because being particular about correct grammar really, really isn't on a par with fascist ideology, white supremacism and genocide.

UnionRep · 01/10/2024 19:28

Signs are irritating but at least they could be changed.
I went to a colleague's funeral and while waiting outside I looked at a gravestone which said "We wish you could of lived longer"
I've never forgotten it!

TeaHagTeaBag · 01/10/2024 19:28

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You're right..thats what I get for reading and cooking at the same time!

MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 19:31

UnionRep · 01/10/2024 19:28

Signs are irritating but at least they could be changed.
I went to a colleague's funeral and while waiting outside I looked at a gravestone which said "We wish you could of lived longer"
I've never forgotten it!

😮

MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 19:33

Saw a t-shirt in a well known department store a few years ago with the slogan "Don't fancy your's much".

NDblackhole · 01/10/2024 19:34

Totally unreasonable for typing/using nazi though Biscuit

LoobyDoop2 · 01/10/2024 19:35

MereDintofPandiculation · 01/10/2024 18:56

People think that because "its" = belonging to it, it needs an apostrophe. But don't worry about "his" which is a possessive ending in an s.

I have noticed a couple of rules emerging "If a noun ends in a y or a vowel, the plural needs an apostrophe, eg potato's"; and "Plurals of abbreviations need an apostrophe" so "Three GP's were asked..." I try to remind myself that English is changing, and that written English follows spoken English usage, (I've accepted it's now "different to" not "different from" and "three times greater" not "three times as much") but there are limits!

I don’t really know why, but the one in “GP’s” annoys me more than all the others. It’s almost ubiquitous these days, but it’s still bloody wrong.

MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 19:36

I don't particularly like it, but I can tolerate GP's much more than potato's.

Temptingspread · 01/10/2024 19:37

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MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 19:38

TeaHagTeaBag · 01/10/2024 19:14

No apologies are ever needed for trying to understand something. Does this example make sense?

John and Mary Atkins (no plural, no apostrophe) have 4 children. The Atkins (collective Atkins, no apostrophe) family went to the park to meet some friends. While they were there, the Atkins's (belonging to the family, apostrophe s) dog played with the Smith's (belonging to the Smith family, apostrophe s) dog. The Smiths bought everyone ice cream (plural, no apostrophe).

The Smiths' dog, surely?

MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 19:39

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The good old greengrocer's apostrophe.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/10/2024 19:51

Also reminds me of the story about the old Yorkshireman who lost his wife, and asked the stonemason to carve on her headstone "God she was thine"

Imagine his horror to find that instead they'd put "God she was thin"
... but never mind; on explaining they'd missed the "e" has was assured it would be changed

And so it was; next time he visited, he read "E god she was thin"

outdamnedspots · 01/10/2024 20:00

Boskit · 01/10/2024 15:37

I loathe the term 'grammar nazi'. There's nothing fascistic about being able to use one's native language with accuracy and discrimination. Once upon a time they used to teach it in schools - imagine!

They teach a lot more grammar in primary schools now than they have done for years!

outdamnedspots · 01/10/2024 20:00

Pogggle · 01/10/2024 15:37

If it makes you feel any better, I saw a photo that my local tattooist uploaded the other day of one she'd just done that said 'know you're worth'. I actually couldn't believe that neither her or the person having it done thought to just double check that it was right 😬

🙄😂😬🫣

outdamnedspots · 01/10/2024 20:02

Hoppinggreen · 01/10/2024 15:45

There is a plaque on a memorial bench in a place we visit often and it says something along the lines of "if love could of saved you"
Gives me the rage, I appreciate that sometimes people make grammatical errors or spelling mistakes but when its by a "professional" it makes me very cross

But they're a professional sign engraver. They're not a professional proofreader. But they need one!

gotmyknickersinatwist · 01/10/2024 20:12

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Its use here is coming from the verb police, not the noun.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 01/10/2024 20:16

MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 19:38

The Smiths' dog, surely?

Correct. Also should be the Atkinses' dog i.e. the dog belonging to all the Atkins family.

JudgeJ · 01/10/2024 20:20

Maurepas · 01/10/2024 17:27

Are people not taught this when 12 years or younger?

Like lots of things, it is taught, but unless the recipient is willing to learn it's flogging a dead horse especially when the parent complains that her precious is made ill when expected to exert themselves, we got a lot of that nonsense in the Maths Department too!

pinksquash13 · 01/10/2024 20:25

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 01/10/2024 20:16

Correct. Also should be the Atkinses' dog i.e. the dog belonging to all the Atkins family.

The Atkins' dog.

JudgeJ · 01/10/2024 20:26

MelodyMalone · 01/10/2024 19:33

Saw a t-shirt in a well known department store a few years ago with the slogan "Don't fancy your's much".

When our daughter was baptised we received a lovely, clearly expensive, card from a distant relative, Congratulations on you're daughters Christening. It surprised me because the sender was a very well educated woman, my OH said she'd probably asked her husband to buy it and not looked too carefully at it.