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SS and AI. What do we think of this then?

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 28/09/2024 10:09

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/sep/28/social-workers-england-ai-system-magic-notes

Personally I'm a self confessed dinosaur so have huge reservations about the speedy proliferation of AI in every aspect if our lives, not so much due to the technology itself but due to human nature and a growing lack of faith in it as it has been shaped by technology in this brave new world.

So I'd be interested to hear what people think about this innovation.

Social workers in England begin using AI system to assist their work

Magic Notes tool records and analyses face-to-face meetings and suggests follow-up actions

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/sep/28/social-workers-england-ai-system-magic-notes

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ntmdino · 28/09/2024 12:41

jeaux90 · 28/09/2024 12:35

@ntmdino ML is AI.

As long as the data used is protected within the enterprise/organisation boundaries database or CMDB and fact checking is done I don't see the issue.

It's saves me a lot of time. Efficiency gains are really important in specific jobs with high workloads.

ML is AI, but AI is not ML. As I said, they are two very different things - or, more accurately, ML is a subset of AI.

hatgirl · 28/09/2024 12:47

Not read the article but as a social worker for adults I would bloody love it if there was an AI solution to writing up all the phonecalls I had made and transferring emails I had sent onto people's records so I didn't spend hours a week summarising or copying and pasting across.

Where appropriate we already use the recording and transcript function in Microsoft Teams to record meetings now. The transcript is a long way off being able to be used as a completed set of minutes but it does mean that accurate and succinct minutes can be produced after the meeting has concluded.

Windchimesandsong · 28/09/2024 13:07

@hatgirl I think though that spending time writing up notes of calls, emails, and meetings, is very important. Sometimes it's the best way to review and think through the information gained and better understand the situation of the family or individual in need.

One of the reasons things are missed or people in need fall through gaps is the lack of holistic help. Holistic - including the need for the social worker to be fully involved in all stages of the work.

Of course that requires better funding and more staff - and better training and management. But that's what is needed. It costs less in the end - because failing services leave people in more need of support and for longer periods.

hatgirl · 28/09/2024 13:31

Windchimesandsong · 28/09/2024 13:07

@hatgirl I think though that spending time writing up notes of calls, emails, and meetings, is very important. Sometimes it's the best way to review and think through the information gained and better understand the situation of the family or individual in need.

One of the reasons things are missed or people in need fall through gaps is the lack of holistic help. Holistic - including the need for the social worker to be fully involved in all stages of the work.

Of course that requires better funding and more staff - and better training and management. But that's what is needed. It costs less in the end - because failing services leave people in more need of support and for longer periods.

Edited

I don't agree, perhaps it's the type of work I do but I'm literally meaning something that can record that I made a phonecall to X at Y time to say I would be coming to see them on Z date without me having to do it myself. Or automatically copy an email I sent with the persons name in the subject line into their electronic record so that I don't have to save the email first and then manually add it old school style as an attachment into their record.

Which would leave me more time to use my brain space type up better quality holistic assessments and do face to face visits.

Thelnebriati · 28/09/2024 23:49

I think people should change the way they think about AI. You give it data, and your input is training it.

Amanitacae · 29/09/2024 00:19

ntmdino · 28/09/2024 10:20

The problem with the use of AI-like tools (LLMs like ChatGPT aren't really AI, they're an AI simulation - more like "predictive text on steroids", really) isn't their existence, but rather being put to inappropriate uses.

When they're used to save time by people who are already skilled enough to do the job in the first place, or supervised heavily by humans, they're brilliant.

The problem comes when they're used to replace humans in an interaction chain...and that seems to be their purpose as interpreted by management just about everywhere.

In the context of the article, it strikes me that the main problem is when it misses critical information - which it absolutely will do. Unlike a deterministic system, where there would be an audit trail allowing somebody to fix the bug that led to the omission, the "AI" in question will simply be a black box. They can try to influence its behaviour, but there are absolutely no guarantees about how it will behave in future.

It's a terrible idea, but one which will be forced into existence everywhere by people who have no business making those decisions due to a comprehensive lack of knowledge and wilful ignorance of facts in favour of marketing potential.

Incorrect.

LLMs are a form of generative AI. Most were originally trained via machine learning.

ntmdino · 29/09/2024 05:09

Amanitacae · 29/09/2024 00:19

Incorrect.

LLMs are a form of generative AI. Most were originally trained via machine learning.

Edited

Creating them via a form of AI (machine learning) is not the same as them being AI. In their execution, there is no "intelligence" there at all - it's just statistical probabilities.

Yes, strictly speaking, they can be considered AI, but not in the general population's current understanding of it (ie something on the path to AGI). LLMs are about as close to AGI as a fly is to a rocket. Yes, the fly will seemingly make progress towards the eventual goal relative to our viewpoint, but it will never ever get to the moon, and its existence is irrelevant to the process of building something that will.

BlackForestCake · 20/10/2024 09:58

What I find most scary is that people are treating ChatGPT as an authority when they want to know something.

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