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We know all the anti Labour posts are really just about VAT on school fees!

237 replies

YouOnlyHateStarmerForVATOnSchoolFees · 25/09/2024 12:24

Day in day out whining about Labour and looking for any reason to moan about Starmer, I’m honestly expecting to see a “Starmer ate my dog” post soon! 🙄

We all know you’re just upset as you’ll be charged VAT on little Arabella’s school fees!

So my AIBU…

YABU - It is not just the school fees, honest! I preferred ‘honest Boris’ and ‘man of the people’ Rishi. Or that lovely Liz, we were so much safer with them!

YANBU - The posts are so blatantly motivated by the VAT on school fees that it has becoming utterly boring. Jog on ‘disgusted of Hampstead’ and join the local comp!

😘

OP posts:
DadJoke · 25/09/2024 13:15

TeenagersAngst · 25/09/2024 13:05

a) policies shouldn't be in a manifesto because they're 'popular'. That's the very opposite of how policies should be designed.

b) there is already evidence that they will not be 'easily absorbed' into the existing system.

It's clear the plan is ideological because if they truly wanted this to work, Labour would have gone about it entirely differently.

Unpopular policies are harder to implement and had better be really, really important. And if you think popular policies are a bad idea just for being popular, then you have no understanding of politics.

There is no evidence other than the ICS that they won't be easily absorbed. Demographic changes ensure it. We'll see, though, over the next couple of years.

There is of course an element of ideology in every policy. This one is great on every level. An flawless way of raising tax which targets people with disposable income, almost all of whom will simply pay up, and the few that don't get to enjoy what 93% of people accept.

schloss · 25/09/2024 13:15

There are people who do not support Labour's policies including the VAT on private school fees. They do not want a large, nanny state or high taxes which will damage growth and businesses, especially the private ones. It is not wrong to think like this and as the current political situation stands following the election, it means I, and others, will not support a Labout government or their policies.

cardibach · 25/09/2024 13:15

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 25/09/2024 12:43

That poster said they are under “scrutiny” for expensive expenses claims. Well they are! Not one single person seems happy about it.

You are correct. Sorry.
However ‘excessive’ is a matter of opinion.

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 13:15

What I hope is that Labour start again with a blank piece of paper on tax and benefits. If you were redesigning the tax and benefits system would you have a wfa? Or would you up the pension at the same time as increasing the basic rate of tax to pay for it, knowing wealthier pensioners will pay higher tax on that pension increase.

lazyarse123 · 25/09/2024 13:16

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 12:42

No. No I don’t. Not if that ‘privacy’ allows people to cheat the exchequer. £26bn tax was evaded by small business owners last year. We need all the help we can get to stop them.

When are they going after the huge businesses that dodge tax? There's plenty of those.

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 25/09/2024 13:16

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Meadowfinch · 25/09/2024 13:17

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 12:59

If you are on the basic state pension you can apply for pension credit and you still get the wfa

If a pensioner has an income of £218.50 weekly, they can't get pension credit.

So let's think about that. £25 council tax, £40 food, £25 insurances £10 water, £10 TV, phone, broadband, £15 clothing, £20 household wear and tear, £40 heat and light.

It's very very tight. All it will take is a cold snap, and millions of pensioners will be in trouble. And Labour knows that.

The unions aren't happy. Many party members aren't happy. If it goes wrong, I forecast Starmer will be ousted by April - when the winter mortality figures are published.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 13:17

Sarahconnor1 · 25/09/2024 13:09

No you can't.

The new basic state pension is £221 per week so £11,500 per year.
The cut off for pension credit is £218.15 per week.

That is what much of the anger is about, the threshold sitting at such a low level.

@Carrotmccarrotface I'm glad someone has corrected this as your earlier post isn't the case

@Sarahconnor1 points out what the issue is

Harvestfestivalknickers · 25/09/2024 13:18

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 12:44

Couldn’t care less about expenses claims. Are they acting legally? Yes. Fine. Surely the country has more important things to talk about. Everything has gone to shut and people are bickering about expenses claims? Grow up.

Well I do care. 100K in gifts the first 3 months in power? For a party voting in on a platform of integrity and doing it differently?

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 13:19

lazyarse123 · 25/09/2024 13:16

When are they going after the huge businesses that dodge tax? There's plenty of those.

There aren’t, there really aren’t. I think the tax evaded by large corps was about £5bn last year which is absolutely dwarfed by small business’s £26bn! You are barking up the wrong tree!

cardibach · 25/09/2024 13:19

Ousted by whom and how @Meadowfinch ?
I get you don’t like Labour being in government, but how would this work?

TeenagersAngst · 25/09/2024 13:21

DadJoke · 25/09/2024 13:15

Unpopular policies are harder to implement and had better be really, really important. And if you think popular policies are a bad idea just for being popular, then you have no understanding of politics.

There is no evidence other than the ICS that they won't be easily absorbed. Demographic changes ensure it. We'll see, though, over the next couple of years.

There is of course an element of ideology in every policy. This one is great on every level. An flawless way of raising tax which targets people with disposable income, almost all of whom will simply pay up, and the few that don't get to enjoy what 93% of people accept.

I'm not advocating for unpopular policies, although given the furore over the WFA it seems Labour are adept at developing both popular and unpopular policies.

I am advocating for policies which don't have unintended consequences. This one has scores of those. Your analysis is light-touch at best.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 13:21

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 13:19

There aren’t, there really aren’t. I think the tax evaded by large corps was about £5bn last year which is absolutely dwarfed by small business’s £26bn! You are barking up the wrong tree!

The bank account watching is only for benefits claimants isn't it?

goodluckbinbin · 25/09/2024 13:21

This fees thing has really left some private parents frothing at the mouth! They’d rather have more years of Tories destroying public services than pay their tax or, heaven forbid, send their child to an ordinary school.

poppyzbrite4 · 25/09/2024 13:21

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 12:52

Surely this is to prevent benefit fraud though? What’s wrong with that?

I shouldn't have to explain to someone about the importance of privacy. If you don't believe in privacy and think the state should be able to snoop on you without intervention, then there's nothing further to say.

user593 · 25/09/2024 13:21

Happii · 25/09/2024 12:55

This might sound crazy but you can be critical of one party whilst also disliking the other. It's a ridiculous view that if you have concerns about Labour you love the Tories

This 👏

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 13:22

Meadowfinch · 25/09/2024 13:17

If a pensioner has an income of £218.50 weekly, they can't get pension credit.

So let's think about that. £25 council tax, £40 food, £25 insurances £10 water, £10 TV, phone, broadband, £15 clothing, £20 household wear and tear, £40 heat and light.

It's very very tight. All it will take is a cold snap, and millions of pensioners will be in trouble. And Labour knows that.

The unions aren't happy. Many party members aren't happy. If it goes wrong, I forecast Starmer will be ousted by April - when the winter mortality figures are published.

Surely they ought to have planned for their retirement? There must be very few pensioners in this situation that don’t have families that can help them out. I certainly would find my relatives in this situation.

cardibach · 25/09/2024 13:23

Harvestfestivalknickers · 25/09/2024 13:18

Well I do care. 100K in gifts the first 3 months in power? For a party voting in on a platform of integrity and doing it differently?

No, look again.
The 100k is since 2019. I still think it’s an unforced error, but it’s really not a scandal.
Edit: Johnson took massively more but isn’t listed because he’s no longer an MP

We know all the anti Labour posts are really just about VAT on school fees!
user593 · 25/09/2024 13:23

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 13:21

The bank account watching is only for benefits claimants isn't it?

Means tested benefits or all benefits? I’ve made an application for DLA for my infant son, it’s not means tested and I’d appalled if they used it to access my bank account. They aren’t going to uncover any fraud relating to his disability by snooping on my current account.

OnlyYellowRoses · 25/09/2024 13:23

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 12:26

There’s taking away for the wfa to wealthy pensioners too. You forgot that.

The clue was in the 'wealthy pensioners' part of your sentence....it's not being removed for the poorest.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 13:24

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 13:22

Surely they ought to have planned for their retirement? There must be very few pensioners in this situation that don’t have families that can help them out. I certainly would find my relatives in this situation.

Please think more broadly than this. People can work for years earning not much but meeting the required years for a state pension

And no they don't all have families to help them out, of course they don't. That is a very limited view

You dodged the question earlier but why did Labour point out 4000 deaths in 2017 and refuse to do an impact assessment today?

x2boys · 25/09/2024 13:24

I'm not a Labour voters, and I'm resevering judgement on how the part will perform they have only been in power a couple of months
It does amuse me however that Keir waa constantly whinging and moaning about the Conservative, its easy ,to do when your in the opposition ,the boots on the other foot now.

Carrotmccarrotface · 25/09/2024 13:24

poppyzbrite4 · 25/09/2024 13:21

I shouldn't have to explain to someone about the importance of privacy. If you don't believe in privacy and think the state should be able to snoop on you without intervention, then there's nothing further to say.

Please explain. What is the importance of privacy? You want your right to privacy to trump the right of the state to protect the public purse, but you want state benefits? Sod off!

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 13:25

user593 · 25/09/2024 13:23

Means tested benefits or all benefits? I’ve made an application for DLA for my infant son, it’s not means tested and I’d appalled if they used it to access my bank account. They aren’t going to uncover any fraud relating to his disability by snooping on my current account.

Idk about any of this, someone else might answer

It's a decent question

Harvestfestivalknickers · 25/09/2024 13:27

goodluckbinbin · 25/09/2024 13:21

This fees thing has really left some private parents frothing at the mouth! They’d rather have more years of Tories destroying public services than pay their tax or, heaven forbid, send their child to an ordinary school.

'Private Parents' frothing at the mouth????
No frothing here where I live. Bit of an over generalisation saying they'd rather have more years of Tories 'destroying public services'.
How many did you survey?