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Family member awarded enhanced pip - AIBU?

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Orangecrocs · 19/09/2024 15:42

My family member has just been awarded enhanced pip in both living and mobility components.
Shes told me that she’s twisted the truth during the assessment and told the assessor that she has lots of pain and can’t really walk at all, but she walks all the time as I see her out and about - we live in a hilly area. I know people who are in a wheelchair and struggle to get enhanced rate - so I really don’t understand how she’s managed this.
I know people will say mind your own business but she’s told me she’s actually lied to them.

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Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 11:03

LadyKenya · 20/09/2024 10:21

Stop guessing, and trying to scaremonger people. You have no idea what will be in the budget.

And these suggestions aren’t likely anyway as PIP doesn’t look at the specific disability, but the effect it has on the activities assessed. To specify only certain disabilities as qualifying for PIP would need a complete overhaul of the system and a major change to the assessment criteria, and at the moment the cost of that would rule it out. It would also require a significant change in legislation - the eligibility conditions for disability benefits are enshrined in law and have to comply with the Equality Act 2010.

LadyKenya · 20/09/2024 11:05

Yes I am commenting, more about the people who are calling these people that they know, undeserving of their award, because they happen to skydive etc. The fact that your life is very restricted by your disability, has no bearing on other people, outside of your unit. These people getting PIP, will not affect your outcome, or award.

2dogsandabudgie · 20/09/2024 11:05

WalkingonWheels · 20/09/2024 10:49

That was me! I exist, and I'm still getting PIP. I've had three reassessments and extentions to my PIP (until 2030 at the moment) and no medical evidence has been submitted. But apparently I must be wrong 😂

Genuine question regarding your panic and anxiety. How does PIP help you with that?

YOYOK · 20/09/2024 11:08

WalkingonWheels · 20/09/2024 10:56

But you are, though. You're here making comments about them. And yes, she is loose of tongue. She positively gloats about her PIP and her new car every few years. She also works full time in a very physically demanding job, and laughs that her PIP is her holiday money.

I also work full time as a disabled person, from my bed, and haven't been on a family holiday since I was 15, and that was to Cornwall. It is a bit sickening when you witness people "showing off" about how they've managed to play the system, when actual disabled people are struggling for support.

Have you reported her? It’s easy to do if there’s loads of social media evidence.

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 11:09

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 10:59

That’s not the way PIP works. It doesn’t look at specific disability, but the effects of it, and no condition affects any two people in exactly the same way or to the same degree. So a list of diagnoses, excluding all other disabled people from applying wouldn’t be lawful and would definitely invite a legal challenge for discrimination. It would also necessitate all of the assessment criteria to change because they would no longer be relevant. Expensive and unlikely. More likely is some form of tightening of eligibility criteria to make it harder to claim, or to close out those with short term or low level disability. I can definitely see conditions such as anxiety and depression being ruled out unless claimants are currently under the care of a mental health team.

We’ll see then won’t we..not long to wait

YOYOK · 20/09/2024 11:11

I wonder how many people save the child benefit they receive for their children. I wonder how many students use their student grants and loans for buying pints. I wonder how many pensioners use their state pension to buy their grandchildren a Christmas present.

If we are going to pick on disabled people, I think we should start looking at other groups too.

(Obviously I don’t think that at all but it’s hypocritical to only make accusations about disabled people.)

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 11:11

CrossUniStudent · 20/09/2024 10:24

@Kitkat1523

anyway it will all be changing in the autumn budget ……talk of it being a diagnosis based benefit….so we will wait and see

Well that will be interesting seeing as you don't require a diagnosis to be classed as disabled covered by the equality act aka it will never happen

Just have to wait and see won’t we….im as worried as the next person…..my current award doesn’t end til 27 so hoping I will get to then without any changes to me personally

x2boys · 20/09/2024 11:11

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 10:17

No you are incorrect…..no ‘medical evidence’ is required to claim…….of course you don’t have much chance of succeeding in getting an award…..but nowhere does it say you NEED medical evidence.

anyway…..no point discussing…..as it will all change in the Autumn statement…..I’m guessing there will be an official list of diagnoses ….and only people on that list will be able to apply

How would that work then, given that it currently goes off how the disability impacts you not the actual diagnosis?

kenidorm · 20/09/2024 11:13

@Kitkat1523

We’ll see then won’t we..not long to wait

Of you are talking about the changes you expect to hear about in October there would be years of legal challenges following on from an announcement that only people with X/Y/Z could apply. It's stupid in its most basic form as some people with X don't qualify, some pole do etc, but the bigger picture is law, and the government can't just say 'oh we're are doing this now' and it would happen. I think your change is what you wish would happen, not realistically, it was sent going to happen

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 11:13

x2boys · 20/09/2024 11:11

How would that work then, given that it currently goes off how the disability impacts you not the actual diagnosis?

well I’m waiting to see what Labour propose …..same as everybody else…..scary times

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 11:13

Being unable to undertake any journey because it would case overwhelming psychological distress is 10 points. Not 12. Therefore, it is only standard rate mobility. Not enhanced. So, unless claimants also score on the moving around activity, they are not eligible for the motability scheme.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 11:14

CrossUniStudent · 20/09/2024 10:24

@Kitkat1523

anyway it will all be changing in the autumn budget ……talk of it being a diagnosis based benefit….so we will wait and see

Well that will be interesting seeing as you don't require a diagnosis to be classed as disabled covered by the equality act aka it will never happen

You’re correct. Disability benefit eligibility is enshrined in law and to align with the Equality Act.

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/09/2024 11:14

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 11:09

We’ll see then won’t we..not long to wait

and I can quite imagine you’ll be rubbing your hands with glee if they stopped it for everyone who is undeserving by your standards. The only people who seem to concern themselves with other people’s lives are those who are unhappy with their own. I know there are people who might be exaggerating their disability, but I’m too busy concentrating on my own life to give a toss what other people decide to do with there’s. Try it some time.

CrossUniStudent · 20/09/2024 11:15

Pip forms ask you to send supporting information. Aka evidence.

Worriedmummy2400 · 20/09/2024 11:15

This is nasty disabled person bashing.

EndlessLight · 20/09/2024 11:15

Miley1967 · 20/09/2024 10:31

Surely if someone had learning difficulties they would have an appointee.

Many with learning difficulties don’t have appointee. Not all need one.

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 11:17

Teanbiscuits33 · 20/09/2024 11:14

and I can quite imagine you’ll be rubbing your hands with glee if they stopped it for everyone who is undeserving by your standards. The only people who seem to concern themselves with other people’s lives are those who are unhappy with their own. I know there are people who might be exaggerating their disability, but I’m too busy concentrating on my own life to give a toss what other people decide to do with there’s. Try it some time.

Edited

Your’re joking aren’t you?? I’m as worried as the next person…..I am in receipt of PIP….have been for many years……. as is my DD ……I hope everybody gets to keep their award …..why would I be happy if they didn’t?🤔…..where have I said this???

desparateidiot · 20/09/2024 11:19

Is it some sort of arthritis or something? Just with you mentioning mobility.

They do say you should describe your worst day when applying for PIP, if you go on and say well its really bad some days but I have some days where it doesn't affect me, then you are getting nothing or the minimum payment

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 11:19

CrossUniStudent · 20/09/2024 11:15

Pip forms ask you to send supporting information. Aka evidence.

They do…..but it’s not always ‘medical’ evidence that people send……this is what I have been saying ….and people are now accusing me of being a benefit basher ( @Teanbiscuits33 )

kenidorm · 20/09/2024 11:20

@Kitkat1523

I apologise, I completely misread your meaning. I see now that you are worried it will happen, please done worry, it won't.

kenidorm · 20/09/2024 11:23

@Kitkat1523

but it’s not always ‘medical’ evidence that people send

What do you mean?

It actually doesn't always have to be 'medical' - plenty of people, particularly those with mental health difficulties, will have 'social' evidence.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 11:27

x2boys · 20/09/2024 11:11

How would that work then, given that it currently goes off how the disability impacts you not the actual diagnosis?

Medical evidence is required in order to make a decision on any claim for disability benefit. What people are overlooking is that the case manager who decides the award isn’t medically qualified so relies on medical evidence provided to decide eligibility.

When you make a claim for PiP the application goes to whichever DWP appointed assessment provider operates in your area. An assessor looks at the claim form and decides whether there is enough evidence contained in the form (as well as any supporting evidence the claimant has provided) for them to complete a report for the case manager.

Where there is enough evidence contained in the form (with or without supporting medical evidence) to get an overall impression of the level of disability , a paper assessment will be carried out and the assessors’ report will go to the case manager and the award will be decided on that evidence.

Where there is not enough information the assessor has a number of options. They can contact the medical professionals named on the claim form, they can make an appointment to contact the claimant by telephone or video call or they can arrange for the claimant to attend a face to face assessment. The assessors’ report will be completed based on whatever information is gathered as a result.

In every case there will be medical evidence provided to the case manager because they are unable to make a decision without it. Where the claimant has not provided medical evidence of their own, the assessors report will form the basis of the case managers’ decision.

As a benefit advisor I wouldn’t have advised (and still wouldn’t advise) anyone to submit a claim without some form of independent supporting evidence - medical or otherwise. If you don’t supply your own evidence from a medical professional who knows you and is familiar with your condition, you run the risk of the award being decided on the evidence of the assessor alone. And as the high success rate at tribunal demonstrates, they don’t always get it right.

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 11:28

kenidorm · 20/09/2024 11:23

@Kitkat1523

but it’s not always ‘medical’ evidence that people send

What do you mean?

It actually doesn't always have to be 'medical' - plenty of people, particularly those with mental health difficulties, will have 'social' evidence.

I mean exactly that…..’social evidence’ …..historic evidence from school ……I know people who have sent in police reports (RVPFs) as these can show a persons behaviour issues which make them unsafe in the community.…..probation reports……statements from informal carers about a persons needs……but people on here are insisting that you need medical evidence to apply …and when I say you don’t ..I am shot down in flames

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 11:30

kenidorm · 20/09/2024 11:23

@Kitkat1523

but it’s not always ‘medical’ evidence that people send

What do you mean?

It actually doesn't always have to be 'medical' - plenty of people, particularly those with mental health difficulties, will have 'social' evidence.

You can actually provide a written statement from family members or support workers to attest to how well they know your condition and what help or support they provide. It’s very useful where there is professional input.

Kitkat1523 · 20/09/2024 11:31

Rosscameasdoody · 20/09/2024 11:30

You can actually provide a written statement from family members or support workers to attest to how well they know your condition and what help or support they provide. It’s very useful where there is professional input.

Correct