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To think this language in a job description is a red flag?

19 replies

MsMonday · 18/09/2024 16:06

I came across a role I’m interested in, but something in the person specification stood out: it says the candidate “is accountable for decisions and doesn’t pass the buck.”

Would you apply for a role with wording like that, or does this seem like a red flag? It comes off as passive-aggressive to me, and I’m wondering if it hints at a toxic work environment where blame-shifting might be an issue.

Am I reading too much into this, or would you also be cautious about applying for a role with that kind of language?

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Hecatoncheires · 18/09/2024 16:07

I think it sounds more wanky than passive-aggressive.

takealettermsjones · 18/09/2024 16:08

Well, it's honest 😂 it could be a negative culture, or they could have just been burned by a previous employee. You could always apply anyway and then, if successful, bring it up at interview?

Hecatoncheires · 18/09/2024 16:09

To be slightly more helpful..... I understand what you mean. There are other ways of saying that the role has accountabilities where the final decision rests with the postholder. Perhaps the previous person had slidey shoulders and never stood by their work? It wouldn't put me off applying for the job if I liked the role but I would do my background research on the organisation.

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 18/09/2024 16:10

I would expect this to be an organisation where they have had people repeatedly try and blame things on their subordinates or team members rather than a 'toxic work environment.'

If it's simply about making clear that it's about protecting subordinates/team members and not trying to blame junior members of staff for failings the job holder has made, then I would 100% support such language.

But as PP said, you can always ask at interview.

ThanksHunPenneys · 18/09/2024 16:11

What's the role? Is it CEO, in which case I'd expect them to be ultimately accountable?
If it's a junior office admin role then no, it's not appropriate.

MrSweetPotatoFace · 18/09/2024 16:12

It’s unprofessional wording. It could be worded much better. It may be indicative of an unprofessional working environment.

EmmaStone · 18/09/2024 16:15

Context is everything, but on the face of it alone, seems very unprofessionally worded which would make me question how professional they are otherwise.

2Old2Tango · 18/09/2024 16:17

Go on Glassdoor and see what reviews previous employees have left about the company.

UghFletcher · 18/09/2024 16:26

It could be worded better but sounds like they have been burned with people who blamed others and slopy shouldered their responsibilities.

Wouldn't put me off though. Have a look through Linked In / Glass door. Do your own research

Abitofalark · 18/09/2024 16:32

I wouldn't apply to an employer who used that wording in a job advert. I especially dislike the use of 'accountable' rather than a more suitable phrase about the desirable personal quality of being responsible or able to embrace or exercise responsibility. The wording of the ad is driven by emotion and suggests some sort of pique or personal gripe is animating the person who wrote it / is potentially going to be your manager or boss.

MsMonday · 18/09/2024 16:38

ThanksHunPenneys · 18/09/2024 16:11

What's the role? Is it CEO, in which case I'd expect them to be ultimately accountable?
If it's a junior office admin role then no, it's not appropriate.

It’s neither, but it’s quite a significant position with a decent salary. It involves a lot of responsibility around engaging with residents and improving their satisfaction, so I’m trying to gauge whether the language in the JD reflects a larger issue or just a strong emphasis on accountability.

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Imfreetofeelgood · 18/09/2024 16:40

EmmaStone · 18/09/2024 16:15

Context is everything, but on the face of it alone, seems very unprofessionally worded which would make me question how professional they are otherwise.

This. As you have identified this, be prepared to be managed by someone who may not be as professional as you are. That's sometimes a difficult position to be in - but not always.

MsMonday · 18/09/2024 16:40

Abitofalark · 18/09/2024 16:32

I wouldn't apply to an employer who used that wording in a job advert. I especially dislike the use of 'accountable' rather than a more suitable phrase about the desirable personal quality of being responsible or able to embrace or exercise responsibility. The wording of the ad is driven by emotion and suggests some sort of pique or personal gripe is animating the person who wrote it / is potentially going to be your manager or boss.

I agree. The wording is quite off-putting and makes me think it might be driven by a deeper issue or personal frustration. I’m leaning towards not applying tbh.

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MsMonday · 18/09/2024 16:43

Imfreetofeelgood · 18/09/2024 16:40

This. As you have identified this, be prepared to be managed by someone who may not be as professional as you are. That's sometimes a difficult position to be in - but not always.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by “not always?” I’d be interested to hear more about situations where it might not be as problematic as it seems.

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DevotedSisterBelovedCunt · 18/09/2024 17:02

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 18/09/2024 16:10

I would expect this to be an organisation where they have had people repeatedly try and blame things on their subordinates or team members rather than a 'toxic work environment.'

If it's simply about making clear that it's about protecting subordinates/team members and not trying to blame junior members of staff for failings the job holder has made, then I would 100% support such language.

But as PP said, you can always ask at interview.

I would expect this to be an organisation where they have had people repeatedly try and blame things on their subordinates or team members rather than a 'toxic work environment.'

It could just as easily be an organisation where subordinates are expected to take the blame for their bosses' mistakes, but they've had people repeatedly push back on that, and are looking for someone who's easier to push around...

MsMonday · 18/09/2024 17:26

takealettermsjones · 18/09/2024 16:08

Well, it's honest 😂 it could be a negative culture, or they could have just been burned by a previous employee. You could always apply anyway and then, if successful, bring it up at interview?

Yeah I thought about bringing it up interview… if i go ahead and apply. I don’t think its looking good though

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MsMonday · 18/09/2024 17:45

So we all seem to agree this is a red flag/ troubling/unprofessional at the very least 🤣

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desperatedaysareover · 18/09/2024 17:47

Sounds like someone with a grudge scribbled that on the back of a fag packet after a couple of shandies. It's not professional at all and it would concern me. It's a bit like when men on dating apps write 'No Liars or Headgames.' Like, I agree, lying is bad and so on but wait till you've at least gone for coffee to mention your trust issues.

PolePrince55 · 18/09/2024 17:49

Id think it's strange

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