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Am I being gas lighted

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WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 11:53

I know this term is often used but feel like I'm going mad.

DH said the other week about how many hours he works each week on and on and on. I work part time at night and get the kids after school. He takes them then goes to work.
Last night I tried to show that actually we spend the same amount of time doing stuff. His is mostly all work but mine counts getting the kids, getting them tea etc as well as work.
He's now saying it's about the quality of the free time- after my night shift the kids are at school so I can potter about and go out for a few hours and see people. Where as at night hes trapped in the house with the kids.

I've said fine go out after work then just be home when I have to leave for work and he responded with "don't you want me here??"

Wtf

When I said I feel like he's gas lighting me he said I'm paraphrasing and to not keep going on about his off hand comment... And how I'm not to mention it again 😱.

Just to say he goes go out every couple of months on a weekend. As do I. Last weekend he went out for a long walk on each day. Which I encouraged but then he comes back and lays on the bed upstairs or watches TV with head phones.

I'm just fed up of always being the " ranty angry one" also wondered if he said the " don't you want me here" thing so he's now got an excuse to go out all the time because I sent him away. I know I should talk to him again but he's going out tonight and I've got work, and tomorrow I've got work as soon as he gets home from work.

If he is gaslighting, how do you deal with it.. Thanks

OP posts:
LoubeighLough · 17/09/2024 12:00

You need equal time for yourself. So if he is not getting any at all but you're getting every day then that's unfair. But it sounds like he's spitting his dummy out instead of a grown up conversation.

mortygage · 17/09/2024 12:00

Realistically it doesn't sounds like either or you have much quality free time during the week, but that's just life with kids. He'll have time in the evenings to himself when the kids are in bed and you're working. You'll have time to youself whilst the kids are at school, but presumably you'll still be recovering from your night shift.

Ensure you each have free time during the weekend (which it sounds like you do), as well as family time.

Unfortunately it's often a race to the bottom with couples trading tit for tat rather than working as a team to balance the load.

WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 12:08

mortygage · 17/09/2024 12:00

Realistically it doesn't sounds like either or you have much quality free time during the week, but that's just life with kids. He'll have time in the evenings to himself when the kids are in bed and you're working. You'll have time to youself whilst the kids are at school, but presumably you'll still be recovering from your night shift.

Ensure you each have free time during the weekend (which it sounds like you do), as well as family time.

Unfortunately it's often a race to the bottom with couples trading tit for tat rather than working as a team to balance the load.

I get that but he's saying it's unfair as his free time is trapped in the house so I'm better off. To be fair I would rather be working a normal Monday to Friday job like him and just have the evenings free but he's the main earner. Now he's going out after work twice a week and I'm going to be cooking for the kids and doing everything whilst he just plops them in bed then goes and relaxes and I go to work. I suppose I'm just worried that then the weekend comes around and he will want to go out for walks again because he doesn't get to do that in day time.

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stayathomer · 17/09/2024 12:12

How old are the kids? I don’t buy his argument- what kind of sleep can you get vs he has the opportunity to?! But I’d say you’re both just tired and as someone above said these arguments just kind of go tit for tat- everyone feels the other has it easier.

Mrsttcno1 · 17/09/2024 12:13

I think he has a point to be honest, you can really do whatever you want during your free time. You can go for a coffee, to the cinema, for a long walk, can go to the shops or out for lunch, your time is entirely your own to do whatever you like with. Whereas his “free time” isn’t really free time, because he has to stay at home with the kids. If being at home with the kids is “free time” then I’d have loads at the moment on maternity leave but the reality is I have none because I can never just pop out on my own and when my child is asleep it’s not like I can do whatever I want because I’m stuck in the house.

I wouldn’t class his evenings with the kids as free time to be honest.

LoubeighLough · 17/09/2024 12:15

Free time is different when you can't leave the house vs when you can leave the house.

annonymousse · 17/09/2024 12:18

I wonder how many of you saying OP is being unreasonable have actually worked night shifts. When I worked nights my life was a grind of trying to get enough sleep and running the house feeling slightly nauseous all the while from feeling so tired. I was physically unable to go out socialising, long walks etc etc. I had NO quality time.

WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 12:20

Mrsttcno1 · 17/09/2024 12:13

I think he has a point to be honest, you can really do whatever you want during your free time. You can go for a coffee, to the cinema, for a long walk, can go to the shops or out for lunch, your time is entirely your own to do whatever you like with. Whereas his “free time” isn’t really free time, because he has to stay at home with the kids. If being at home with the kids is “free time” then I’d have loads at the moment on maternity leave but the reality is I have none because I can never just pop out on my own and when my child is asleep it’s not like I can do whatever I want because I’m stuck in the house.

I wouldn’t class his evenings with the kids as free time to be honest.

Ok thanks. I understand a bit now. Regarding the maternity thing I did say about the summer holidays where I had the kids all day every day then went to work, and he said that that doesn't count because I could still go out I just had to take the kids with me. Which I get free time in the house is different but then free time with your children isn't free time at all. I suppose I'm just grumpy as I only get five hours sleep at night and feel crap. If I got a full hours then I wouldn't have any free time either because as soon as I get up I'd have 20 minutes to eat lunch then I have to go and get my kids.

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SD1978 · 17/09/2024 12:22

How many nights do you work? I get his point, slightly, depending on the answer to how many nights you work. I work nights too, but on my days off, I have the house to myself whilst the kids are at school, and can do my own thing. If he works 5 days a week, every night is at home, and then I assume you guys do family stuff all together too- he's equating your days off with more 'alone' time than he gets

WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 12:22

annonymousse · 17/09/2024 12:18

I wonder how many of you saying OP is being unreasonable have actually worked night shifts. When I worked nights my life was a grind of trying to get enough sleep and running the house feeling slightly nauseous all the while from feeling so tired. I was physically unable to go out socialising, long walks etc etc. I had NO quality time.

Honestly nights is awful!! Only work till 3:00 a.m. but then I have to bike home for an hour. Literally feel like I'm in some sort of zombie zone. I try and get less sleep so I have some free time. I don't know how the people at work who work till seven do it

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EcoChica1980 · 17/09/2024 12:23

I don't think its gaslighting - he's just having a whinge. His situation is the reality for the majority of all parents - men and women. It's just you work nights so have free time when the kids are at school.

If you have given him the opportunity to have some time to himself and he's rejected it then that's on him - I don't see what else he wants.

WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 12:23

SD1978 · 17/09/2024 12:22

How many nights do you work? I get his point, slightly, depending on the answer to how many nights you work. I work nights too, but on my days off, I have the house to myself whilst the kids are at school, and can do my own thing. If he works 5 days a week, every night is at home, and then I assume you guys do family stuff all together too- he's equating your days off with more 'alone' time than he gets

I do 3 or four a week depending on whether there's overtime

OP posts:
Mrsttcno1 · 17/09/2024 12:25

WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 12:20

Ok thanks. I understand a bit now. Regarding the maternity thing I did say about the summer holidays where I had the kids all day every day then went to work, and he said that that doesn't count because I could still go out I just had to take the kids with me. Which I get free time in the house is different but then free time with your children isn't free time at all. I suppose I'm just grumpy as I only get five hours sleep at night and feel crap. If I got a full hours then I wouldn't have any free time either because as soon as I get up I'd have 20 minutes to eat lunch then I have to go and get my kids.

I think it depends how you measure free time. For me, real free time is time alone where you can do what you want to do, or go where you want to go, so if he has the kids then no that’s not free time, and neither would I think it free time when you have them in the summer holidays. Is it better to be able to go out with them vs staying in the house, yes, it’s a bit more freedom, but it’s still not amazing.

I think the thing is you’re sacrificing your sleep to get your free time, that’s your choice and you don’t have to do that, but if you can appreciate that you need your free time- enough that you’re willing to give up some sleep- then you also need to appreciate that your husband needs his free time too.

HoppityBun · 17/09/2024 12:26

That’s not gaslighting. Yes he’s being unreasonable

WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 12:27

SD1978 · 17/09/2024 12:22

How many nights do you work? I get his point, slightly, depending on the answer to how many nights you work. I work nights too, but on my days off, I have the house to myself whilst the kids are at school, and can do my own thing. If he works 5 days a week, every night is at home, and then I assume you guys do family stuff all together too- he's equating your days off with more 'alone' time than he gets

How do you do the housework between you and your partner?? On my days I do all the housework. My husband does the white at the weekend and empties the dishwasher and sometimes washes up with the evening with the things that don't go in. I strip the beds clean all the toilets hoover mop etc
So by my free time I could go out for a walk but I also have to do the housework. I think I need to just stop and watch a movie or something. Maybe part of it is my old-fashioned view from childhood built into my brain that I have to do all the cleaning when I'm at home rather than just relax.

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WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 12:29

Mrsttcno1 · 17/09/2024 12:25

I think it depends how you measure free time. For me, real free time is time alone where you can do what you want to do, or go where you want to go, so if he has the kids then no that’s not free time, and neither would I think it free time when you have them in the summer holidays. Is it better to be able to go out with them vs staying in the house, yes, it’s a bit more freedom, but it’s still not amazing.

I think the thing is you’re sacrificing your sleep to get your free time, that’s your choice and you don’t have to do that, but if you can appreciate that you need your free time- enough that you’re willing to give up some sleep- then you also need to appreciate that your husband needs his free time too.

Yeah I get that. I suppose tho if he goes out after work he's not giving up anything for his free time. Where as I'm giving up sleep for mine.
I think I need to get better at prioritising myself after nights and getting out and doing stuff rather than doing housework, pausing.for a bit than doing more housework

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Mrsttcno1 · 17/09/2024 12:35

WHYohwhy12 · 17/09/2024 12:29

Yeah I get that. I suppose tho if he goes out after work he's not giving up anything for his free time. Where as I'm giving up sleep for mine.
I think I need to get better at prioritising myself after nights and getting out and doing stuff rather than doing housework, pausing.for a bit than doing more housework

Why does anybody have to sacrifice for free time?! You just need to look at the hours in the week and then assign equal free time to both of you from that. If you’re in bed for sleep by 4am after a night shift and get 8 hours sleep then you’re up for the day by 12, so have a few hours free before collecting kids from school, there’s some of your free time.

This means when your husband gets home from work he could have his couple hours free time before he takes over when you go to work- doesn’t have to be every night, but sometimes.

Then on a weekend you can each take a few hours for free time if that’s what you want to do. Or it may be that if you are having a few hours every day of the week then the weekend is where he catches up on his free time.

Look at housework separately and divide that up fairly.

Time at work is not free time, his night times looking after the kids is not free time, sleep is not free time. Divide up what is left, factor in family time and split the rest so you both have the chance to have free time.

SD1978 · 17/09/2024 12:38

@WHYohwhy12, pretty much all of it, not a martyr, promise! but I don't have an issue with doing an hour or two a day which is it all it takes to maintain, and then I have a few hours to myself too.

Grecianrainbow · 17/09/2024 12:42

I think your DH is being unreasonable. Has he ever worked nights? The max I can do after nights is a load of laundry and an easy oven dinner. The quality of sleep in the day is awful, the max I can ever get is 6 hours, and that’s broken up. If he was going to bed at 11, waking up at 12 and 2 then getting up at 4 or 5 I don’t think he’d consider that a good nights sleep.

You need to have a proper conversation with him about the type of quality time you each actually have. My DH doesn’t really get it, he easily forgets, however he had to stay late at work the other week and ended up coming home at 5am then had the post nights feeling the next day. It was I think a good reminder that that is how I feel every week so did remind him of that a lot!

Errors · 17/09/2024 12:45

No, this is not gaslighting.
Not every disagreement is ‘gaslighting’
sometimes it’s just a plain old disagreement with absolutely no need to label the other person’s behaviour with terms that are almost exclusive to being in an abusive relationship.

Gaslighting is ALL about intention. Please stop using this term if you don’t know what it means, you’re devaluing it.

Pimlicopolly · 17/09/2024 13:00

It sounds like you're going through a difficult time in your relationship, and I understand how frustrating it must feel to be dismissed or invalidated when you're trying to communicate. Here’s some advice and insights that might help.

1. Assess Whether It’s Gaslighting

Gaslighting is a form of manipulation where one person makes another doubt their own perception of reality. In your situation, it’s possible that your husband’s dismissiveness and refusal to engage in further conversation could feel like gaslighting, but it’s important to understand if it's intentional manipulation or poor communication.

If he's saying things like "don't you want me here?" to twist the narrative, it could be a way to deflect responsibility and make you question your stance. His insistence that you "don't mention it again" is also concerning, as it shuts down communication instead of resolving the issue.

How to handle it:

  • Be clear with yourself about your own reality. You are doing your share of the work, both in terms of house duties and your job. Don't let his words undermine your understanding of that.
  • Try to stay calm when addressing the issue. Sometimes gaslighting thrives when emotions run high, so staying level-headed helps you stay grounded.

2. Equality in Responsibilities

From what you’ve described, it seems like both of you are contributing to the household in different ways, but the way your contributions are valued feels unbalanced. Just because your work involves childcare doesn't mean it's less valuable than his paid work. Domestic tasks, especially involving children, are real work.

How to handle it:

  • Use “I” statements when discussing this again. For example, “I feel overwhelmed when my work isn’t recognized, and I feel like the time I spend caring for the kids isn’t being valued.”
  • Avoid comparison arguments like "I work more than you." Instead, focus on finding common ground and a sense of fairness.

3. Communicate About Free Time

It sounds like the conversation about free time—his feeling of being "trapped" with the kids vs. your daytime free time—needs to be revisited. The quality of free time can be different, but both of you need to feel like you're getting the recharge time you need.

How to handle it:

  • Acknowledge his feelings of being trapped, but also express that your free time is often during the day, meaning it might not feel like real "relaxing" time for you either.
  • Suggest splitting the load more fairly, perhaps even creating a routine where both of you get equal leisure time without kids.

4. Dealing with the "Ranty Angry" Label

If you're always painted as the "angry" one, it could be a way for him to dismiss your valid concerns. This is an unfair dynamic that can lead to frustration.

How to handle it:

  • Frame your conversations in a calm, matter-of-fact way to avoid being labeled emotional. It’s tough, but keeping things neutral can force him to engage with the actual content of what you’re saying rather than the tone.
  • Remind him that being frustrated doesn’t mean you're ranting; it means there’s an unresolved issue that needs attention.

5. When to Address It Again

Timing is key in these conversations. It sounds like you both have busy schedules, but it's important to carve out some uninterrupted time to talk when neither of you is exhausted from work.

How to handle it:

  • Propose a time to sit down and discuss things without distractions—ideally, when you’re both rested and calm.
  • Try to make the conversation a collaboration rather than a confrontation. Use phrases like “how can we make this work for both of us?” to make it feel less like blame and more like problem-solving.

6. When Boundaries are Dismissed

His refusal to engage or allow you to bring up the issue again can be a red flag. Healthy communication means both people get a chance to express how they feel without being shut down.

  • Reaffirm that avoiding the conversation won’t solve the problem and that you want to find a solution together.
  • If he keeps stonewalling, you might want to consider relationship counseling. A neutral third party could help you both see things from a new perspective and work on your communication.

You're not overreacting by feeling frustrated. It sounds like you're trying to get through to him, but you're being met with defensiveness or avoidance. The key here is to communicate your needs calmly, but also be firm about the fact that the current situation isn’t working for you. You both deserve a balance between work, family, and personal time, and addressing that openly can lead to healthier conversations.

Ablondiebutagoody · 17/09/2024 13:48

But you are counting your time with the kids as work and his time with the kids as free time. Doesn't seem fair.

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