Is the channel crossing crisis a global issue?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2ln150287yo

Sadly more people have died attempting to cross. I understand the various crossing points into Europe have similar issues with high death tolls. Is this now becoming a global/humanitarian crisis that should be being discussed with urgency to seek a resolution on a world stage?

I suppose we'll see if we ever make enough reciprocal arrangements to replace it.

It would be nice, but I’m pretty certain it won’t make the slightest difference. I’ve seen so many posters talk about how awful it is that we’ve lost the ability to return people to Europe since Brexit and it’s just not true. Dublin was not the answer to lowering arrivals, like so many people think it was, and us withdrawing from it hasn’t caused the increase.

I hate to cite Wiki anything but the sources they use are on there and are reputable, so it’s convenient. ‘Of the 128,000 migrants, caught by German police near the borders in 2023, only 7.9% had been registered before by an another European County and the fingerprints of the rest could not be found in the Eurodac database.’ That means that Germany would only have been able to return 7.8% of asylum applicants, assuming they were able to meet the other conditions and in the timescale set out in the agreement. That barely touches the sides.

It’s nice to use it if you can, but it’s not doing huge amounts for Germany now, just as it didn’t do huge amounts for us when we had it. I don’t think the numbers support it being the huge loss that lots of people believe it to be.

@Whothefuckdoesthat I'm glad you've posted that as the amount of times the Dublin agreement has been cited on these threads is high and it's not correct.

On what will happen maybe a while longer for the convention to fail, the EU will throw money at it to leaders who may be autocratic and problematic to get numbers down but it will keep driving upwards as the push gets greater

Parties are rising in power, eg the AfD but if they win in states others won't form a coalition with them. Perhaps when they don't need that we'll see a break

A new EU pact starts in 2026 which may change things

Starmer has created his own issue in going strong on smash the gangs and the UK will be more attractive and higher deaths. He seems to be thinking about Albania processing but there's no reason processing elsewhere will lead to a reduction

Shouldn't the countries the people are coming from be made to fix the problem? The UK did not cause it

It’s plain daft to think increasing legal routes would reduce numbers of others who select themselves.

Brexit is irrelevant.

This is business with a huge customer base and will not stop while humans in poorer countries know there are better places to live. The internet allows the business to operate. The lack of removals creates the draw.

Would the pro migrant people on here stomach a regime which returned anyone who arrived in a country illegally if those destination countries agreed to arrange a scheme of bringing over people who met criteria? (Women and children even!). There’s little capacity for the latter at the moment.

I always have to add that I have nothing against people who try and migrate for whatever reason. It’s so tiresome that anyone trying to get to grips with the issue is painted as a racist scumbag. I would happily see some families brought over from the Congo or Sudan conflicts in place of these young men from Albania etc.

Countries choose their own regimes. If they choose a fascist theocracy, that's on them. No need to infantilise other nations.

Yes they should be pressured on to make peace and respect human rights. That would stop many refugees from having to leave in the first place, and end corruption creating more economic opportunities for young people who’d otherwise migrate.

Peace, decelopment, rights. Many richer countries ranging from the UK, EU, China to the USA and others do lean on those source countries to do this - development aid, economic aid with conditions about improving human rights, - but it’s a long game. Involves diplomacy and building trusted relationships, trade deals, private sector investment. Too long for most short cycle politicians under pressure to show fast results.

Development aid is an important lever though but it’s often subject to cuts. China is actually good at this especially in Africa.

I would take in every girl and woman from Afghanistan. Not allowed to speak in public? Would that happen to any group of men?
I know we can't, but it illustrates the problem.