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Am I being unreasonable? : honestly to wonder why have children if you ......Part II

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Judy1234 · 19/04/2008 22:57

II.... but I can't remembered what I had just been asked and hadn't answered yet.

One point about whether working parents were burying their heads in the sand about damage to children, not reading the literature etc. I think having been a full time working mother for 23 years I have a pretty good idea about what impact it has or hasn't had on the 5 children. I've certainly read most stuff produced. A lot is misrepresented and a lot of studies contradict each other. Bowlby for example studied children taken from their parents and then living away which is nothing like a mother and father there every day for their child.

As for which is more insulting - the original thread saying why have children if you're going to work (only applied to woman apparently - men are allowed to do it with impunity and without criticism) or it's better for children if both parents work it's just part of lively banter on line. It's pretty easy in life to ensure you only mix with people whose views are like yours whether that's in your church, cult, WI, working mother group, class, race or whatever but the internet gives you a chance to see other views like women who think it can indeed be best for babies and relationships and families to return to work when the baby is 2 weeks old.

Someone asked if I went back early because of money. I doubt it. I did discuss with their father before we even married who would look after the children if a nanny didn't work out and he suggested he gave up work although it never came to that. These are certainly conversations people should have before they marry so they do find out if they're marrying a sexist man or someone who won't go 50/50 on chores etc. But certainly the fact you just get 6 weeks at 90% got be back quickly. If I had been in the same job for 8 years and then had a right to 3 months at full pay I would probably have felt that quite reasonable.

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Judy1234 · 22/04/2008 08:03

The children of the very poor and disadvantaged do do better in a nursery which is obvious - if your mother cannot cope, is hardly in, is on drugs (and of course that applies if she's rich too).

The fleeing your environment is an interesting point. My mother did that successfully. Some people who did that passed the 11+ moved to a different kind of world from their parents found themselves in a sense cut off from them but I don't think that's a big enough issue to encourage people not to change class or increase their income.

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scottishmum007 · 22/04/2008 20:58

xenia
i think your answers are justifiable, it's not only the mum who can raise their own children, other carers can do just as good a job.
I'm a 'SAHM' as it's referred to on these forums, altho i don't agree with titles, it just generalises people too much.
I've been back at work PT but decided issues surrounding childcare were not going to make it work until ds goes to school.gave it a shot, so i can see both sides of this argument.it was nice to get away from ds for a break, but when i was on days off, it wasn't actually a break for me, i was back to being 'mummy' again like many others in the same boat.

Monkeytrousers · 23/04/2008 09:34

Most of us do out best with the opportunities available to us. It's really a no brainer berating women for not being perfect people or perfect mothers.

lucyellensmum · 23/04/2008 20:45

By Xenia on Tue 22-Apr-08 08:03:28
The children of the very poor and disadvantaged do do better in a nursery which is obvious - if your mother cannot cope, is hardly in, is on drugs
I could not NOT respond to this. How DARE you imply that poverty automatically means that the mother cannot cope and is on drugs . My DP and i are on a very low income, definately well below the poverty line. My DD is most definately not better off in nursery - you see, i can't afford a montesorri all singing all dancing nursery with motivated teachers and bright little people emerging from the gates every evening. I have visited our local nurseries and was really disappointed. Lots of bored looking school leavers and the children seemed to be milling around. She is better off with ME!! or her dad (we might be changing roles soon but that is irrelevant imo)i take her to M&T so that she socialises, I take her crab hunting on the beach, I take her to the library and make play dough, make cakes, we plant seeds together in the garden (hoping not to have to actually buy any veg this summer), I sit and cut pictures out of her old childrens magazines so we can do cutting and sticking, i read to her, i make sure she has a nutritious lunch - our income £7k pa, we struggle, its tough, i am on ADs (bereavement and PND) but my daughter is not better off at nursery all fecking day. She IS ready for preschool and will be going ASAP, but i am not about to drop her off at 7am and pick her up at 7pm in order to support the lifestyle i had before she came along. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but i am sick sick SICK to the back teeth of SAHMs being portrayed as incapable, uncaring, unintelligent mothers.

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