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*Trigger Warning* for Childhood SA - Need Advice Please

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hartluck · 10/09/2024 08:54

Hi all,

Longtime reader, fist time poster here - It's a really long one as there's lots of relevant background info & don't want to drip feed any info.

I've recently disclosed to my DM (adoptive) that my 2 brothers (her biological children) subjected me to SA during my childhood.

Both brothers are quite a bit older than I am, so there was quite a big age gap when I was adopted into the family. The SA began was I was approx 6 years old, they were approx 14 and 15 years old. It went on for a couple of years.

I don't want to go into details of the abuse, but it was extensive, at times, violent and had a lasting impact on me that I've had to spend so much time, energy and money to undo the damage caused with years of therapy.

I'm pleased to say that whilst it's not been easy, the work I've done on myself has paid off. I'm happy, have my own successful business which allows me to travel a lot. I'm not currently in a relationship but have had healthy relationships, have a lot of amazing friends all over the world - I'm just biding my time for the right relationship to find me when the timing is right :)

It also helps that I live on the other side of the world to my adoptive family. I visit the UK from time to time.

With one brother (will call A), I have spoken openly with him on this issue over the past 8 years, and we have worked on our sibling relationship quite a bit.

From the beginning, A has been fully accountable, never denied anything to me, always listened to me whenever I told him what he did, how it affected me (even when I've communicated how upset and angry at him I've been, and not done it in a "gentle" way), he's shown full remorse and has actually become someone I value in my life now. He works hard to provide for his family, is deeply intellectual, very sensitive and very emotionally mature.

He has turned into a person that I can depend on like family, and he has a really lovely family of his own that I have a lovely/easy connection with.

The second brother (will call him B) is the golden child for DM and it has always been a complicated relationship to navigate. He has behaved appalling in the recent past, entitled, demanding, going to DM when I've done something that goes against what he wants/expects, manipulated her into turning against me, and he has gone LC/NC with me twice in the past 4 years for really stupid issues (first time was 1 year, and now this second time we are coming up to a year again). He doesn't work and DM gives him a lot of money to support his partner & young DC.

I have not been able to speak to B like I did with A, because of the above reasons (and more), knowing how would likely react and how that would only have a negative impact on me and my well-being.

DM has never really accepted me as her child. DF was always my primary caregiver, despite him working long hours, he always made time for me and he always felt like my "real" (and only) dad. Sadly, DF passed away 10 years ago.

DM almost certainly has an undiagnosed personality disorder, struggles with understanding how her behaviour impacts those around her, low empathy, very entitled, obnoxious, highly reactive. She got worse after passing of DF. She has caused a lot of problems within the family, neither of my brothers care particularly deeply for her, but brother A does a lot for her to ensure she's safe, comfortable etc.

DM is insistent that she is adored by everyone in the family, never has any issues with anyone but me in the family (absolutely not true - both of my SiL's are pretty much NC with her, other than planned family events where they will be civil for a day, despite neither of my SiL's being an issue and both are actually really lovely, genuine people that have treated me with nothing but kindness).

Earlier this year, DM, myself and a close friend of mine were having a nice conversation over dinner, and DM launched into one of her rants, about how terrible my behaviour was when I was younger, designed to humiliate me in front of my friend out of nowhere. For info, my behaviour wasn't terrible, I just got into trouble at school for getting into fights some times, as it was difficult for me to not control my anger once I got rattled. Considering the extent of my experience with trauma and abuse, both pre and post-adoption, I really wasn't "bad" at all. But DM holds a lot of resentment towards me and makes this very known.

I managed to contain the situation, calm DM down etc but at that point, something inside of me decided enough was enough and I decided to tell her why I was so angry when I was younger and why it came out in my behaviour at school. Keep in mind, DM has brought this topic up constantly at every opportunity over the decades and simply can't just let it go. It feels like she blames me for coming into her "perfect" family and ruining their life.

I told DM about the SA by her sons and what I experienced, and that the abuse was essentially the root cause of my childhood issues. She believed me instantly as she understood that everything suddenly made perfect sense.

Brother A has been forthcoming and has explicitly told DM the extent of the SA, backing up my truth. However, brother B has been very manipulative, lied and even tried to tell DM that it was not true, but brother A sent DM a VERY explicit message at my request confirming the horrific details of the SA.

I have told both brother A and B that I am considering a police investigation, due to the nature of the abuse and the fact that brother B has a young DD, which concerns me given his lack of accountability and remorse. I am sick of carrying the weight of this "secret" and being the only person that has had to pay the price, despite being completely innocent.

DM suggested she wanted to speak to a therapist with me, to attempt to repair our relationship and we did one session, however, DM was quite nasty during the call, forcing the therapist to step in to remind her that none of this is my fault, that her grandchildren are technically at risk and there are safeguarding issues at stake.

DM said on the call with the therapist that if I went to the police, I would be responsible for destroying "her family" and "her children's" family (meaning her sons, not counting me as one of her children). DM also said how could I "put her children in prison" (again said in a way that intentionally excluded me as one of her children).

Therapist stepped in at all the right moments to counter each of these statements, to remind DM, that all of this is superseded by the abuse and behaviour of my brothers, and that I am not responsible for any consequences to their past abuse. DM responded that she wished I had not been adopted into her family.

The therapist then said she would not continue co-session between myself and DM whilst there was pressure being put on me to not report the abuse to the police, and she fully recommended that a police investigation needs to be conducted so that Brother B in particular can be assessed with regards to safeguarding his young DD. The therapist also stated that she would have to report any disclosures I made to her that might suggest any current family members under the age of 14 might be at risk. Which would mean social services would become involved.

The therapist has offered to provide continued 1-1 support directly with me, which I will be doing as she is a very experienced and knowledgable psychotherapist.

This was one month ago and DM has not spoken or messaged a word to me since - DM ended the session by saying that I was "no longer welcome as part of her family".

My questions to all of you, is; would it be unreasonable of me to pursue a police investigation? I have already been speaking with police, and they have said a conviction is a very possible outcome, given the evidence I have - credible witnesses I have willing to go to court to testify that I have been speaking them about the abuse for the last 20 years, years of messages between myself and brother A where he openly admits to the abuse.

Plus, brother A has been the only person within my "family" to actually support that it is fully my choice if I do or not, but has said he would fully co-operate with police and accept the consequences for what he did. He would also act as a witness against brother B, who is far less likely to be forthcoming in any police investigation.

Also, should I inform the partners of my brothers of this situation, or push both brothers into speaking with their partners/mothers of their children themselves? I feel that they have a right to know, where as DM is determined that this needs to be kept an "open secret" between myself, DM and brothers. So far, both SiL's have been kept in the dark.

Brother A has arranged so that he, myself and brother B speak later this week between ourselves. I don't know how that call will go.

Also, I'm unsure of what to do regarding my relationship with DM, she has clearly chosen a side, despite no one asking her to. When I initially disclosed to her, she reacted in such a receptive way, deeply apologetic, blamed herself for not seeing what was happening despite her being very present within the home.

It was only when DM realised that this may escalate into a police investigation that would have lasting consequences across the family did she begin to change her behaviour towards me. It's like it was fine when this had only affected my life, but I will be the horrible person that destroys the whole family if I make other people be held accountable and have their behaviour affect their lives - ie her children. And DM will blame me entirely for that. Which is really backward thinking, I know.

Any advice, thoughts, shared experiences would be most appreciated.

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hartluck · 11/09/2024 06:20

OldCrocks · 10/09/2024 12:24

I'm at the beginning of this journey too so I don't have much more knowledge of the process than you already do yourself. But I will say that reporting to the police was very much the right move for me, partly to do with the importance of acknowledging that what had happened was morally wrong and also clearly criminal, but also, like you, to do with ensuring any other victims or potential victims could be identified and safeguarded. I also felt that, whatever now happens or doesn't happen, just the act of bundling up all my memories and allegaions and handing that all over to the police enabled me to take a very weighty load off my own plate, which has helped me to get on with my own life.

My experience so far has been that the local police were a bit rubbish, but I've since been transferred to a specialist officer in the Met, who has been extremely good. I suspect if my case goes the distance it will take ages, but now it's no longer my (sole) responsibility, that feels fine. If it all gets binned, well, so be it, I did what I could. It helps that my family is already very fractured and no allegations I could make or their consequences could make things worse tbh. I feel for you, given the emotional blackmail of your situation. But it's hard to see that not reporting will improve things for you either. I believe strongly that sunlight is the best disinfectant. Even your mother seems to agree that the past makes more sense for knowing the truth. If you decide to report, I think I would tell family members afterwards, if at all. It seems more likely that people will try to dissuade you than support you. You should do what is right for you.

I have in my corner a therapist who has helped me greatly, and two friends that I confided in so that if things get tough there's someone who knows what's going on without me having to tell the story from scratch under pressure. If you go ahead with a police report, make sure you have support, just in case you need it.

I am sorry for what you went through. Well done for the work you've done so far.

Flowers for you

Thanks so much for sharing your experience! So far, I've already been in conversations with a specialist team that deals with historic abuse cases, and they have been wonderful. The next step would be for me to go in and give a formal video interview/statement, as well as having a forensic examination. I'm planning to do this before the end of the year, but possibly early next year and then just sit back and follow the process however it unfolds. I really hope your journey has a successful outcome and it brings you the justice and closure you deserve 💙

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hartluck · 11/09/2024 06:22

BackyardDreamer · 10/09/2024 12:32

I don’t have advice in your specific questions but wanted to say I’m sorry you have been treated so badly by your brothers and mother. CSA is the most heinous of crimes and you sound amazingly strong and resilient in the face of a horrible hand life dealt you. I wish you all the best with whatever you decide.

Thank you so much for your kind words!

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hartluck · 11/09/2024 06:26

MinorTom · 10/09/2024 12:45

Jesus that is such a tough read. My story is similar to yours in some ways but it was my sister that got the brunt of our brother’s abuse, I got some but nothing nearly as bad as yours or my sisters, and my father who behaved shoddily in mediation and my mother behaved badly face to face and came out with a lot of what your mother said. You are obviously very strong I was nearly destroyed by the psychological impact of their delusions.

Personally I dropped the rope with them because they were always part of the problem probably for similar reasons to your mother due to undiagnosed PDs. I don’t speak to my siblings either.

Honestly after all the progress you have made I would drop the rope in your situation too. Neither brother B nor your mother can ever be the type of person who will benefit your life. Probably both narcissistic. I have my concerns about your brother A too but that is for you to determine you clearly know the situation better.

Going to the police might be cathartic but from my own experiences it yielded very little success but it could be different for you.

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Yes, I think I've accepted that I no longer truly have a family, and I'm okay with that, I have so many friends and a solid support system, so I'm very lucky in that sense. That family have brought nothing but negatives into my life, especially in recent years and I know that I wont be losing anything from them not being part of my life moving forward!

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MintyNew · 11/09/2024 06:37

I have not been in fhis situation and I'm sorry that you had to op.

I think you owe it to yourself and your healing journey to report this and let it run its course. You shouldn't have to bear a second burden about worrying that you will 'destroy' other people's lives. Your responsibility is to yourself only. While A might be remorseful, a crime has taken place and needs to be dealt with. B has a daughter himself and this is a disaster waiting to happen.

hartluck · 11/09/2024 06:37

Mutzadell · 10/09/2024 12:57

@hartluck I reported it once I moved back. I think it helped me move on. I agree, travel and living somewhere else expanded my mind for sure.

Be aware that it may affect their employment too - not that this should stop you btw - but just something to be aware of. I would leave as much as you can to the police. You cannot predict how other people will behave and given you also don't live here, you're not massively involved in their lives. People could turn violent, you just don't know. I would stick to your bit with the police and let the partners be told by the police or social services if possible. But that is just my opinion - if you feel strongly about it, you do you! But be careful!

Thanks so much - yes, I think I will cut communication with all of them now in the lead up to the police investigation. Regarding their employment, one doesnt work (Brother B) but Brother A is in a respectable field and yes, could be impacted by this. But that is out of my hands and would be part of any consequences coming their way, I suppose. In terms of my safety, they would have to travel 24 hours via several flights to get to where I live, they don't have my address and I have cctv surrounding my home, as well as a couple of large dogs that go beserk any time someone comes near my house - one of which would quite possibly attack to defend me, so I'm quite safe!

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hartluck · 11/09/2024 06:45

MintyNew · 11/09/2024 06:37

I have not been in fhis situation and I'm sorry that you had to op.

I think you owe it to yourself and your healing journey to report this and let it run its course. You shouldn't have to bear a second burden about worrying that you will 'destroy' other people's lives. Your responsibility is to yourself only. While A might be remorseful, a crime has taken place and needs to be dealt with. B has a daughter himself and this is a disaster waiting to happen.

Absolutely! Based on what the responses I've got from the lovely people on this post, I've decided to cut all communications with both brothers and my "D"M from this point forward, and will allow the police to take it from here, and let everything unfold however it will. I know that it's not my burden to bear with regards to the ripple effects of this across other people's live and I've suffered in silence for too long. CSA has a lasting impact on a persons life, no matter how mentally strong that person is, it's something that just changes you fundamentally. And it's really unfair that I've had to suffer the lasting impact of this, keeping this largely to myself, with my "D"M constantly blaming me and resenting me over the years, whilst both of my abusers have gotten to move on care-free with their lives without any repercussions of their behaviour, all the while being essentially spoiled and worshiped by our "D"M and I've been the outcast. I fully anticipate that dynamic will continue to play out as this moves into the police investigation process, and I'm ready accept that essentially, I no longer have a mother. She's been a shitty mother my whole life any way so it's no loss to me in the grand scheme of things 😅

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MintyNew · 11/09/2024 06:54

I'm glad you have decided to go ahead and report this op. Just keep reassuring yourself that you are doing the right thing by yourself - the only person that matters. You have done amazingly well in your life despite your horrific experiences, and that is something you should be very proud of. Fortunately you live very far away, and you can pursue this on your own terms.
One day when you have your own family you will be very glad that you reported them and dealt with that part of your life. I wish you well on your healing journey.

hartluck · 11/09/2024 08:27

MintyNew · 11/09/2024 06:54

I'm glad you have decided to go ahead and report this op. Just keep reassuring yourself that you are doing the right thing by yourself - the only person that matters. You have done amazingly well in your life despite your horrific experiences, and that is something you should be very proud of. Fortunately you live very far away, and you can pursue this on your own terms.
One day when you have your own family you will be very glad that you reported them and dealt with that part of your life. I wish you well on your healing journey.

I'll keep telling myself that & reminding myself that I deserve to prioritise myself and my needs in all of this. It's not easy for me to remember this due to how it's going to impact other people's lives that are also innocent (partners and children). I hope one day I can have my own family, but I just don't know if it's on the cards for me, but I can hope!

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OldCrocks · 11/09/2024 10:06

hartluck · 11/09/2024 06:45

Absolutely! Based on what the responses I've got from the lovely people on this post, I've decided to cut all communications with both brothers and my "D"M from this point forward, and will allow the police to take it from here, and let everything unfold however it will. I know that it's not my burden to bear with regards to the ripple effects of this across other people's live and I've suffered in silence for too long. CSA has a lasting impact on a persons life, no matter how mentally strong that person is, it's something that just changes you fundamentally. And it's really unfair that I've had to suffer the lasting impact of this, keeping this largely to myself, with my "D"M constantly blaming me and resenting me over the years, whilst both of my abusers have gotten to move on care-free with their lives without any repercussions of their behaviour, all the while being essentially spoiled and worshiped by our "D"M and I've been the outcast. I fully anticipate that dynamic will continue to play out as this moves into the police investigation process, and I'm ready accept that essentially, I no longer have a mother. She's been a shitty mother my whole life any way so it's no loss to me in the grand scheme of things 😅

Yes, this resonates with me too. The idea that what happened to you, through no fault of your own, made your life fall off a cliff, and no matter how well you deal with your problems it will always be a burden that you bear, affecting what happens, how you see and interpret things, and how you behave and cope. While your abusers move on through their satisfying lives scot free. Part of my decision to report was definitely the idea that my abuser could suck up a few sleepless nights from now on instead.

Mutzadell · 11/09/2024 13:11

It's tough isn't it because family abuse very much depends on secrets and the person that exposes those secrets is always seen to be a traitor and it certainly feels that way because we were all brainwashed as kids. I can totally see how it runs through families sadly. Takes such courage to change the path - well done you! Very glad you have such good support.

hartluck · 12/09/2024 04:20

OldCrocks · 11/09/2024 10:06

Yes, this resonates with me too. The idea that what happened to you, through no fault of your own, made your life fall off a cliff, and no matter how well you deal with your problems it will always be a burden that you bear, affecting what happens, how you see and interpret things, and how you behave and cope. While your abusers move on through their satisfying lives scot free. Part of my decision to report was definitely the idea that my abuser could suck up a few sleepless nights from now on instead.

Absolutely correct. Well, now both my SiL’s know what’s going on, so I’m sure that my brothers won’t be sleeping too well for a while now

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hartluck · 12/09/2024 04:21

Mutzadell · 11/09/2024 13:11

It's tough isn't it because family abuse very much depends on secrets and the person that exposes those secrets is always seen to be a traitor and it certainly feels that way because we were all brainwashed as kids. I can totally see how it runs through families sadly. Takes such courage to change the path - well done you! Very glad you have such good support.

Thank you! Well, it’s not a secret any more as I told both SiL’s about what’s happened - cat is fully out of the bag!

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90yomakeuproom · 12/09/2024 08:28

Your bravery is so admirable OP.
How did the SILs react?

Mygreyhair · 12/09/2024 13:01

Gosh @hartluck that was a huge step to take. Bloody well done. How did it go?

hartluck · 12/09/2024 15:02

90yomakeuproom · 12/09/2024 08:28

Your bravery is so admirable OP.
How did the SILs react?

Thank you - one of them asked a few questions, the other didnt reply yet but she has the screenshots she needed to see, so I assume things are just playing out between each of the brothers and their respective families currently..

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hartluck · 12/09/2024 15:04

Mygreyhair · 12/09/2024 13:01

Gosh @hartluck that was a huge step to take. Bloody well done. How did it go?

Thanks! I mean, the proof that I sent via messages was pretty clear in terms of what they needed to know. I don't know what's happened since I'm on the other side of the world and no one has contacted me, other than one SiL asking me some questions. I'm just going to let them deal with things however they feel works best for them, and when I'm ready, I'll make my statement to the police!

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