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To have had enough of it?

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maybecactus · 08/09/2024 13:17

I’m expecting my first baby soon and struggling with my sister. She had my nephew two years ago and at first seemed very excited about my pregnancy and really eager to share all of her experiences. However, the further on I’m getting I have found her behaviour is changing.

She hasn’t seemed to enjoy being a mum much herself but now seems to almost be hoping I will be the same.

I’ll give some examples as it might be easier to understand.

She has asked me quite a lot about how I want to feed baby. I am planning to breastfeed but can totally see why others make different choices. She bottle fed and told me she chose that as felt she had been through enough physical changes in her body so it was her husband’s turn to help. When I answer her and say, ‘oh I’m hoping to breastfeed’ she will immediately start saying her friend was bed bound in hospital with mastitis, just wait until you’re cracked and bleeding, you can’t wear any nice clothes, all that sleep deprivation will land on you and ‘you have no idea what that’s like yet’.

We were out dinner with them, my parents there too. My nephew became restless so they get out the tablet and put YouTube on for him. I smile and ask him, is that your favourite show? My sister then announced to the whole table, ‘maybecactus will NEVER use screen time I’m very sure’, then nudge her husband and roll her eyes. I said, I bet we will at some point, you can never say never, can you? My sister then doubled down, ‘no no, I’m sure you NEVER will need to rely on it like we do….’

She asked me if I had put my name down on waiting lists for baby massage and sensory classes. I explained we hadn’t thought of it yet and would probably think about it when baby is older. ‘If you don’t do it now, there might not be a space when you want one. It’s really important for you to make friends and not be isolated, that will be more important to you than you can even comprehend right now,’ and then stared me out, waiting for a reaction.

Apologies the examples are quite lengthy, there are more such as criticising the length of maternity leave I am planning to take (she does not work) and our hobbies and what we like doing.

I’m just uncomfortable around her. I have just about had enough of it now but I’m not in a position to challenge her, I feel it’s better to ignore. Equally I know I need to put some boundaries in place as I will be even more vulnerable postpartum than I am now. She’s a lovely person behind it all but is insecure and unhappy generally, and seems to hope others will feel everything that she does.

My husband wants nothing to do with her and thinks she is not good to be around. He’s polite but only for my sake and has made it clear he thinks it’s not a good idea for me or our daughter to be around it, which I fully agree with.

Has anyone experienced anything like this and what would you do if you were me?

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Chocolateorange22 · 08/09/2024 13:21

"I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. However this is our baby and our choice"

And end the conversation. Don't tie into it, she's looking for drama to make herself feel better that motherhood isn't all that for her. We all make jokes about parenthood but she does sound rather spiteful and one way snidey remarks rather than just a joke.

Pippa905 · 08/09/2024 13:29

Sounds like she's projecting her insecurities/problems on to you. Misery loves company! I was driven mad by any negative comments whilst pregnant but I was lucky most came from strangers/colleagues rather than close family or friends.

I only had similar comments from one friend who was childless (not by choice). I think I understand where the comments were coming from and so smiled, ignored it and changed the subject. After a year I decided to let the friendship fizzle out as I could tell she was just hoping for me to say it was shit - it wasn't I loved having a newborn and love having a now 2 year old!

Much harder to ignore with your sister. You're possibly best distancing yourself as much as possible for now and hopefully she'll stop.

maybecactus · 08/09/2024 20:57

Chocolateorange22 · 08/09/2024 13:21

"I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. However this is our baby and our choice"

And end the conversation. Don't tie into it, she's looking for drama to make herself feel better that motherhood isn't all that for her. We all make jokes about parenthood but she does sound rather spiteful and one way snidey remarks rather than just a joke.

Thank you. She just seems unhappy constantly and in comparison to others, which she needn’t be but hey.

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maybecactus · 08/09/2024 20:58

Pippa905 · 08/09/2024 13:29

Sounds like she's projecting her insecurities/problems on to you. Misery loves company! I was driven mad by any negative comments whilst pregnant but I was lucky most came from strangers/colleagues rather than close family or friends.

I only had similar comments from one friend who was childless (not by choice). I think I understand where the comments were coming from and so smiled, ignored it and changed the subject. After a year I decided to let the friendship fizzle out as I could tell she was just hoping for me to say it was shit - it wasn't I loved having a newborn and love having a now 2 year old!

Much harder to ignore with your sister. You're possibly best distancing yourself as much as possible for now and hopefully she'll stop.

Edited

Thank you. It’s lovely to hear a positive side to things. I already feel her feeding into my existing anxieties (I know my life is going to change loads) and don’t need her preying on that, whether it’s deliberate or not.

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Mrsttcno1 · 08/09/2024 21:07

My baby is 5 months old now but all of the negativity when I was pregnant drove me crazy!

All you can do is see how you feel at the time and take every bit of advice you get with a pinch of salt (and once post-birth a glass of wine🤣). If I’m being generous then I think some people have an awful time of it themselves and so they try and tell you what they maybe wish they had heard when pregnant (e.g. you need a support network, breastfeeding isn’t the be all and end all) and maybe they do feel it is coming from a good place, maybe it even would have been advice they wished that they had heard when pregnant, but everybody is different, every pregnancy is different, every birth and baby is different. Let it go over your head, or take it on board and just see how you get on.

The only thing I really would agree with that she mentioned is getting your name on a list for baby groups if you’re even slightly considering them as where we are they do have big waiting lists and if I’d waited til I’d given birth I still wouldn’t have gotten to the top of a list! You can always change your mind when baby is born and cancel, but if you’re at all considering the classes then get your name on the list just incase!

RickiRaccoon · 08/09/2024 21:09

She sounds a mix of insecure over her own choices as well as eager to give advice but definitely like she's assuming there's one way to raise a baby. There's not. Babies are different and parents are different.

If it were me, I'd get my mum to deal with it(!)/ tell her sister is being really negative. Other option is not to engage with her over topic of baby: just change topic or say I don't know or get up and make a tea.

Beansandneedles · 08/09/2024 21:15

Oh love. Ugh the 'just you wait' brigade are always just in the eaves ready to share a tale of parenting woe like that's the only way we can bond and experience parenting solidarity.

I'm tried a tactic of asking anyone who offered unsolicited advice driven by negative experiences or told me something scary to balance it with a positive. Basically (politely) said that I'd heard quite a lot of negative stuff so was asking everyone who brought negatives into the chat to also offer an equal number of positive parenting experiences so I had a balance of things to look forward to to. It brought out some really wonderful stories. Can recommend it if there's too much bad press around!

maybecactus · 09/09/2024 12:35

RickiRaccoon · 08/09/2024 21:09

She sounds a mix of insecure over her own choices as well as eager to give advice but definitely like she's assuming there's one way to raise a baby. There's not. Babies are different and parents are different.

If it were me, I'd get my mum to deal with it(!)/ tell her sister is being really negative. Other option is not to engage with her over topic of baby: just change topic or say I don't know or get up and make a tea.

Thank you. I think you’re right. Mum won’t get involved as doesn’t want there to be any trouble

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maybecactus · 09/09/2024 12:36

Beansandneedles · 08/09/2024 21:15

Oh love. Ugh the 'just you wait' brigade are always just in the eaves ready to share a tale of parenting woe like that's the only way we can bond and experience parenting solidarity.

I'm tried a tactic of asking anyone who offered unsolicited advice driven by negative experiences or told me something scary to balance it with a positive. Basically (politely) said that I'd heard quite a lot of negative stuff so was asking everyone who brought negatives into the chat to also offer an equal number of positive parenting experiences so I had a balance of things to look forward to to. It brought out some really wonderful stories. Can recommend it if there's too much bad press around!

That’s a really good idea!

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DefyingDepravity · 09/09/2024 12:39

Sounds like she may be masking undiagnosed post natal depression and/or birth trauma. Is she okay?

maybecactus · 09/09/2024 13:08

DefyingDepravity · 09/09/2024 12:39

Sounds like she may be masking undiagnosed post natal depression and/or birth trauma. Is she okay?

She was like this before the baby but about other things. No birth trauma and says she feels very lucky to have avoided it, but has been enjoying telling me she was the only one out of her group who had a decent time and the other 9 ended up really traumatised apparently.

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DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 09/09/2024 13:13

When I answer her and say, ‘oh I’m hoping to breastfeed’ she will immediately start saying her friend was bed bound in hospital with mastitis, just wait until you’re cracked and bleeding, you can’t wear any nice clothes, all that sleep deprivation will land on you and ‘you have no idea what that’s like yet’.

It sounds like she's not fully comfortable with her decision to bottle feed and wants to use you to justify her choice. If you have a miserable time with it, or decide against it, she can think "yep, I knew it, I was right".

(To be clear, I don't think anyone needs to feel at all bad about formula feeding, but it just sounds like she does)

Pippa905 · 09/09/2024 13:34

I honestly loved most of the changes. I think new Mums are made to feel guilty if they enjoy it so you don't hear the positives as often as the negatives. It seems to be far more acceptable to say it's shit. There's times we all need a good moan but it's not fair for her to try to scare you/feed in to your anxieties as it sounds like she is.

I'm due no.2 in December and have had comments like 'it won't be the same with a toddler' and 'if baby no.1 was good this one won't be...' I just try to throw some positives back like 'I can't wait to see them together'.

Beansandneedles · 09/09/2024 13:59

Just to add some counter stories for you. I'm not a natural mother, I never really wanted to find children and have found parts of it to be a sincere struggle.

But just you wait till....

  • You're the one who can calm your baby just by being there. Once I left mine with babysitters and he was irate. They tried everything but eventually called me. He calmed pretty much the second he was in my arms. All he needed was me. It's like a super power.
  • You trust your instincts about their care and are bang on the money because you really do know them best. I remember leaving somewhere early because DS just didn't seem right and within hours he had a fever. Something in me just knew.
  • They smile at you for the first time, and then pretty much every time because they're so overjoyed to see you
  • Little chubby arms pull you in for a hug
  • You get your first open mouthed baby kiss 😂
  • They fall asleep on you with a tummy full of milk and you enjoy that heavy baby snuggles. Whether the milk is from you or a bottle!
  • They hold your hands and start toddling and look at you as if to say 'mum look at me!!!'
  • They get SUPER ENTHUSIASTIC about stuff, it's contagious!
  • More recently DS has also started school and he's just so full of stories when I see him at the end of the day. His world is opening up to more than just me but he still wants to share it with me which I am sincerely enjoying.

There are lots of good bits xx

DinosaurMunch · 09/09/2024 14:05

Beansandneedles · 09/09/2024 13:59

Just to add some counter stories for you. I'm not a natural mother, I never really wanted to find children and have found parts of it to be a sincere struggle.

But just you wait till....

  • You're the one who can calm your baby just by being there. Once I left mine with babysitters and he was irate. They tried everything but eventually called me. He calmed pretty much the second he was in my arms. All he needed was me. It's like a super power.
  • You trust your instincts about their care and are bang on the money because you really do know them best. I remember leaving somewhere early because DS just didn't seem right and within hours he had a fever. Something in me just knew.
  • They smile at you for the first time, and then pretty much every time because they're so overjoyed to see you
  • Little chubby arms pull you in for a hug
  • You get your first open mouthed baby kiss 😂
  • They fall asleep on you with a tummy full of milk and you enjoy that heavy baby snuggles. Whether the milk is from you or a bottle!
  • They hold your hands and start toddling and look at you as if to say 'mum look at me!!!'
  • They get SUPER ENTHUSIASTIC about stuff, it's contagious!
  • More recently DS has also started school and he's just so full of stories when I see him at the end of the day. His world is opening up to more than just me but he still wants to share it with me which I am sincerely enjoying.

There are lots of good bits xx

Aw this is lovely and so true. Apart from the last one? I never hear anything about what happened at school 😂

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 09/09/2024 14:10

Just a guess, but do you have a slightly tricky relationship with her overall? She sounds insecure. She also sounds like she feels judged by you. The screen time thing for example - have you previously said anything about screen time and children? Even your response to her suggests to me that you are trying to be "nice" while secretly really thinking that no, you won't be using screens.

Her comments and attitude aren't great, but I'd be taking a look at your own behaviour, or how she might perceive it, as well. It cetainly sounds like every thing you re planning is different to what she did. Which is not your fault and of course your right, but it might be that she feels judged.

I speak as someone whose SIL has a habit of being weirdly aggressive and/or defensive when talking about decisions she's making about her DC so that it's very hard not to take it as a judgement on me because I made a different decision.

Beansandneedles · 09/09/2024 19:17

DinosaurMunch · 09/09/2024 14:05

Aw this is lovely and so true. Apart from the last one? I never hear anything about what happened at school 😂

Ha yeah I kinda have to coax it out of him, we sing his name in the tune of 'ubercorns funky top 3 facts' ala go jetters and he tells me his top 3 things that happened that day. Sure that has a shelf life!

RedWinePoliticsAndHair · 09/09/2024 19:43

You mention that you're having a daughter and than she has a son, I wonder if that's an element here. My own sister has been weirdly arsey about the fact that I've got girls and she's got only boys. Like that's anyone's fault but our husbands!

DrummingMousWife · 09/09/2024 19:47

go into Meg from motherland mode “your a great mum Amanda ! We all are, it’s fine babe !” Brush it off with a laugh, she is insecure that she is not managing and hoping you won’t too so she doesn’t look bad.

Davros · 09/09/2024 20:00

I think she's got pre-jealousy that you might like it more than she did or you might find it easier

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