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To be annoyed someone has lifted some of my work and used it in a presentation without at least asking?

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Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:29

Fully prepared to be told I'm a grumpy, joyless shit lol

I have a niche knowledge base that is not common for where I work and I have been working on projects bringing some of my expertise into the field. Part of this was a training suite which has been going on for well over a year.

This week, I was on an unrelated training session and my ACTUAL EXACT work (not changed, exactly the same) was used. I didn't know it had been used in this way and no one has asked. I didn't even know it had been disseminated.

AIBU to be a bit peeved? (I am also a bit flattered, but mainly peeved)?

OP posts:
WheresFluffy · 08/09/2024 15:25

Lex345 · 07/09/2024 23:45

I don' lt mind so much about it being used-with permission though-just a courtesy message here and I would have been fine with it and would not require crediting. Now it will look like I have plagiarised them as my training will be delivered later as it is more complex.

I'd deliver the intended training and say something like

"Some of you may recognise the next few slides, if you attended xxx training.
I'm so pleased the subject we are discussing today is being made available across our Organisation. If you have any questions, just let me know"

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:30

daisychain01 · 08/09/2024 10:48

Quite frankly, there's a load of nonsense being quoted about copyright & IP on this thread
To re-iterate some earlier posters, the work was produced by OP on company time, OP was paid for it by the company to create it & the IP and any copyright is owned by the company.

you/we have no way of knowing how much time spent on the work @Lex345 did, was wholly on company time, or partially - with some of the research effort done by the OP outside the time paid by the company. Their knowledge may come from numerous sources, and synthesised into the work done for the company but not wholly owned by them.

So you can't dismiss as nonsense the reference to IP and copyright, without having all the information - you're basing it on your assumption which may or may not be accurate.

Incorrect. Anything produced while an employee belongs to the company. Of course we use our previous skills and experience to inform what we produce. Good God.

Lex345 · 08/09/2024 15:38

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:04

It will make me more selective with what I share.

It's really not up to you, and this is a very immature attitude. If you have produced something while on work time, it belongs to work. You don't get to keep hold of it and not share it. Your time is paid for by work, you have produced it for work, and it is a workplace product.

Refusing to share work that you've been paid to create for your workplace would be a disciplinary matter in my organisation.

Anything I have already produced is of course a free for all, but as I have already explained, there is no onus on me to participate in future projects, share the knowledge in my head above and beyond my job description or put in additional hours of work to produce it (as I have done).

Like I have said multiple times now, a very big part of the issue is the way it has been used rather than it being used at all.

I feel quite happy with what I will do going forward but thanks everyone for your input :)

OP posts:
Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 16:17

PicturePlace · 08/09/2024 15:12

Incorrect.

Fair enough. I've never worked in the sort of organisation OP is describing.

RawBloomers · 08/09/2024 16:40

Sharptonguedwoman · 08/09/2024 16:17

Fair enough. I've never worked in the sort of organisation OP is describing.

The ownership of intellectual property created by an employee isn’t affected by the type of organization they work for.

burnoutbabe · 08/09/2024 17:21

surely there is a clear difference between

Making a presentation/doing it at work/sending out the slides afterwards to everyone - someone uses same thing a year later in the organisation - fairly normal, nice if they ask/mention to you its being used/any updates etc?

v

Working on something that is to be presented at some later point (so still draft/work in progress - may have some bits you KNOW are wrong/placeholders) and someone grabbing that off the server to use elsewhere without any checking.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 19:35

if everything belongs to the company then how the hell did margaret thatcher write her memoir?? or even, funnily enough, nicola sturgeon, who is in the process of doing the same but when in court, she cannot recall a damn thing????

SugarHorseSpooks · 08/09/2024 19:55

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 19:35

if everything belongs to the company then how the hell did margaret thatcher write her memoir?? or even, funnily enough, nicola sturgeon, who is in the process of doing the same but when in court, she cannot recall a damn thing????

they are hardly going to admit guilt unless absolute necessary ?

GRex · 08/09/2024 21:24

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 08/09/2024 19:35

if everything belongs to the company then how the hell did margaret thatcher write her memoir?? or even, funnily enough, nicola sturgeon, who is in the process of doing the same but when in court, she cannot recall a damn thing????

MPs and more senior political leaders are not employed.
If they actually were employed, they could declare other work and a licence for a specific activity.
I'm not sure where you perceive links with someone who signed a standard contract with IP clauses stating that what they produce belongs to the employer?

Barneysmomma · 08/09/2024 21:31

This happened to me many years ago. I work in the NHS, also very niche role, only person in the (large) Trust doing this job. Really shocked to see my presentation being presented verbatim by a medical rep as her own work. Turned out a junior colleague from a different profession had sent it to her without my knowledge or permission.

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