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AIBU to want to get married after 10 years

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GirlMamaxx · 07/09/2024 22:41

My (F34) partner (M35) have been together for almost 10 years and we have 2 little girls aged 6&3. We both grew up in London but to Irish parents so both had a Catholic upbringing. We do try and take our daughters to mass now but admittedly less so than when we were younger.

Marriage has always felt very important to me and when we did discuss this at the start of our relationship he was in agreement. As I fell pregnant with our first daughter rather unexpectedly about 2.5 years into the relationship, talk about marriage was somewhat shelved. We did give both of our daughters his surname as I was under the impression it would one day be our ‘family name’. However, in the past few years whenever I’ve tried to bring up the topic of getting married, he has brushed it off without a real answer/swiftly changed the conversation topic. In summer 2022, he sent me an email saying he’d booked us a trip to Bruges that Christmas for the weekend and I’ll admit I really got my hopes up that we’d be getting engaged. We didn’t and I felt like perhaps I wasn’t being clear enough about how much marriage meant to me. Since then I’ve tried to have serious conversations about it and it’s always the same brush off response which is hugely frustrating, particularly since we’ve been to quite a few weddings together recently. Last year (after we’d travelled to Ireland for his colleague’s wedding) I brought up the topic again; his response was “I don’t want to talk about this right now” and so I asked well when do you want to talk about it? He said a year and so, a year later, I have raised the topic again. Still the same non-answer - he’s almost laughing at me?!

I know weddings are expensive but I have stated that I’d be happy with a simple day. It’s not so much about the day for me (as much as I would love a big wedding, that isn’t my priority now we have a young family) but for the life afterwards. I know that probably sounds silly since nothing in our lives would really change except my name, but it feels really important to me, particularly given our shared religious upbringing.

We have a mortgage together, the monthly cost of which I wouldn’t be able to afford on my own - I work part time (4 days a week from 9-3) in a much lower paid job than he does, to facilitate childcare. He earns around 4 times the amount I do and so I have added up the cost of our mortgage, bills and nursery fees etc and I pay 25% of these, he pays the rest. We do not share finances otherwise, we have no joint account (but he did get me a credit card which he pays off and I buy the majority of our food shops and essentials for our daughters on). I’m happy to keep our finances this way but I suppose being married would give me that extra layer of financial security. However when I used ‘financial security’ as a reason for us to get married he accused me of trying to divorce him later down the line for “all his money”.

So, my question is AIBU to want to get married? And is it that unreasonable to ask that after almost 10 years we could at least have an open conversation about the reasons why I want to get married, as well as the reasons why he doesn’t?

OP posts:
FaiIureToLunch · 07/09/2024 22:45

He doesn’t want to

TimeForTeaAndG · 07/09/2024 22:47

YANBU. It's not even financial security should you divorce. It's what happens if he dies first. It's automatic next of kin. It's inheritance laws. Yes it can all be done with wills and legal faff...but it's straightforward and done with a marriage.

I'd say he has no intention of marrying you now though, his unwillingness to even discuss it maturely and sensibly shows that.

SureLook · 07/09/2024 22:53

FaiIureToLunch · 07/09/2024 22:45

He doesn’t want to

I agree with this unfortunately. He just doesn't want to. Two children and ten years later isn't good enough. His lack of willingness to even discuss it isn't on. Have you given serious consideration to how life would be if you separated?

girljulian · 07/09/2024 22:57

You’re not being unreasonable — sit him down and tell him you want it for legal reasons. But really he’s got all the other things so to his mind there’s no reason to marry you unless you insist.

Friendofdennis · 07/09/2024 23:03

He is being so disrespectful to you Is he holding out for someone better - so insulting

nearlyfreefromnappies · 07/09/2024 23:03

Gutted for you. He doesn't want to marry you. He has everything he wants kids, house etc, plus reduced cost of childcare and I'm guessing housework done. And he doesn't have any financial penalties for it.
This is why Mumsnet bangs on about marriage first, then babies.
Yanbu wanting marriage. He is a big boy, you are absolutely entitled to ask him for. A serious conversation about marriage and why he is deflecting and refusing to give you this security.

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/09/2024 23:04

YANBU to want to but YABU to think he’ll ever do it. You say it was important to you but you didn’t get married when you were pregnant - 2.5 years isn’t that soon - or before having a second child. Or before giving them his surname. Or before buying the house. Or before going part time. You had a bunch of cards and you’ve given them away.

Will you stay with him knowing you’ll never get married? If so I’d let go of it and stop hinting. If you won’t then decide what it’ll take you to dump him.

Tiredofthewhirring · 07/09/2024 23:06

You need to urgently prioritize your own financial security and earning power, he's mugging you off.

Back up to full time work and build your career.

Don't marry him.

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/09/2024 23:06

girljulian · 07/09/2024 22:57

You’re not being unreasonable — sit him down and tell him you want it for legal reasons. But really he’s got all the other things so to his mind there’s no reason to marry you unless you insist.

However when I used ‘financial security’ as a reason for us to get married he accused me of trying to divorce him later down the line for “all his money”.

It’s for legal reasons he won’t do it. He’s explicitly said so.

LovelyDaaling · 07/09/2024 23:07

He wants to keep his freedom. He likes having his cake and eat it.

BadSeedsComeAndGo · 07/09/2024 23:08

Have you spoken to his parents about this? If they knew how you felt they might sit him down and tell him to sort it out (if they’re anything like my very Catholic parents!)

itsmylife7 · 07/09/2024 23:09

I'd ask him to explain to you why you're not good enough to be his wife ?

You're basically a live in girlfriend who happens to have his children.

MissyB1 · 07/09/2024 23:12

He will not marry you, he's made that clear. You need to prepare for life as a single parent or Continue as you are. What a shame you gave him everything on a plate.

BillyNoMates9 · 07/09/2024 23:14

Yanbu but he doesn't want to. As he keeps giving you the brush off, I'd write him an email/letter explaining how you feel and why marriage is important to you. Mention the will and financial implications if one of you dies. Then you've said your piece and can decide whether to stay or go.

Reddog1 · 07/09/2024 23:23

You might have to cut your losses with this one. Increase your working hours if you can. Put money aside.

FaiIureToLunch · 07/09/2024 23:29

I hear stories like this all the time and absolutely hate these situations. Women are just so vulnerable to these future faking pricks….once you’re pregnant it’s very hard to have any real purchase, and of course it’s when you need the most security. Then before you know it’s years down the line and there are absolutely no reason why he’d need to make the effort anyway. Then they inevitably meet somebody who is much younger and who they have to snag because they know they’re punching…. Bingo suddenly they’re wiling to marry. Suddenly it’s not just a “bit of paper” after all.

I got pregnant unexpectedly myself but we had already discussed marriage so went ahead although he didn’t mind if it was before the baby or after. Well, I did mind, I minded very bloody much and we got married only a month later. I knew that if we’d waited for the baby…. It would never happen. We’d constantly put it off with the best of intentions.

I think the saddest part though is how much we give of ourselves in pregnancy and motherhood and still, somehow, can’t face open conversations about our own emotional security and legal rights. We even give the children their names which must be especially galling for those who end up raising their children alone.

BobbyBiscuits · 07/09/2024 23:31

I can see you want to get married. But you can't force him. If he wanted to he would've done so by now. If he does at this stage it would be because you've given him a very firm ultimatum.
Marry me or we split.

But I do not think that's a great idea. For me personally I wouldn't place so much importance on it. If he's refusing even popping to a registry office with two strangers as witnesses then he's categorically opposed to marriage. In the legal sense.

Me and DH are not 'officially' married, it's only a religious ceremony we had. But that was a mutual choice and we share everything equally.
We didn't believe in the value of the actual paper.

Neither of you is wrong. But I don't think you'll get him to marry you and if that's a deal breaker, then you have to tell him so.

Ella31 · 08/09/2024 00:12

Have you any legal security set in place with him like a will ect? God forbid if he or you passed, would your children be secure? If he isn't thinking about that, that would concern me

DelphiniumBlue · 08/09/2024 00:34

It's not a great idea to let your career take the all the financial hit of having children. It might not be what you want to hear, but with a man like that you need to be financially independent. You've given up a huge amount for the family but he won't even have a joint account with you. If you split up , I'm sure you know you'd get CMS and nothing else. He wouldn't have to give a you a share of any assets or savings in his name, even though these may have been amassed at your expense, with you providing free child care enabling him to earn more.
Tbh, if he hasn't wanted to get married after 10 years and 2 DC, he's not likely to change his mind. So you'll have to think about what your bottom line is.
I'm sure it's quite hurtful for you.

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