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To think this is just grim?

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Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz · 06/09/2024 19:15

Been separated from ex for a few years now. Only been in his house twice. Both times the house was mucky, smelly, etc. I used the toilet on one of these times and the bathroom was even worse than the other rooms. Layer of scuzz on the sink and bath, toilet stank and was badly stained and yucky, visibly dirty laundry all over the floor, etc.

He looked visibly awkward and put on the spot about it and hasn't invited me in since. Which I'm not overly bothered about, most handovers are at mine not his so there's very rarely a reason I'd need to be in his house and I've no desire to be.

When the kids went round even if they'd only been with him a few hours they'd come home with an awful smell clinging to their hair and clothes. In the end I broached this with him and asked if it was a damp problem (I figured this angle would cause least offence). I felt I had to mention it as I didn't want them going to school from his house smelling!

After that I noticed gradually they weren't coming home stinking so much and was relieved. But I'm aware the house is still not great from the kids comments.

My problem is that my youngest won't poo at his dad's. He came home from school yesterday after being at school and then his dad's for the night then day before and was really badly backed up and had to sit on the loo for ages.

He said his dad's toilet is brown and smelly and he doesn't like to sit on it. Which sounds like what I witnessed the time I asked to use the loo. 😢🤮

The kids only sleep there one night a week, and go two other times just for a few hours. But on the sleepover day it's midweek so there's a full day of school either side of it where ds also won't poop.

Do I broach this with the ex? And how?!

We generally are polite and pleasant to each other but he was upset with me recently about another issue that came up and I know he won't take it well. 🙄😔

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Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz · 08/09/2024 21:35

Sorry all I wasn't seeing my notifications for this. Thank you for the suggestions of wording, I appreciate the help.

I'm at a loss at the suggestion of donning my marigolds and cleaning my ex's shit encrusted loo or scuzz covered bath and sink. 😳 🤦 Won't be happening. If others would willingly do so, that's their choice I guess. Neither of the kids have ever taken a bath or shower there either, I'm assuming for similar reasons. They just have one when they get home and say they don't want to there. 😔

Ex isn't ND or ill or anything like that, and is a functioning professional with qualifications, a good job, plenty of friends, hobbies, etc. It appears he just isn't bothered about his house being mucky. Which would be his choice if he wasn't a parent, but I'm finding this so grim and will have to broach it for the kids sake as awkward as that may be.

If anything happened to me he'd be in sole charge of the kids and I dread to think how their lives would look. 😔

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DonnaSummet · 08/09/2024 22:23

Suggest he gets a cleaner in

spaceshooter · 08/09/2024 22:48

Insist on a cleaner. Some men either don't see or don't mind filth and dirt I swear.

Neveranynamesleft · 09/09/2024 22:18

@Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz

When I raised the point about putting on marigolds to do a clean up, at no point did I say anything about going anywhere near his shitty toilet, someone else threw that in ! No idea why.

SwiftiesVSLestat · 09/09/2024 22:24

Neveranynamesleft · 09/09/2024 22:18

@Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz

When I raised the point about putting on marigolds to do a clean up, at no point did I say anything about going anywhere near his shitty toilet, someone else threw that in ! No idea why.

So what else would you be doing?

Cleaning the whole bathroom but not the toilet? Or maybe the whole house and not the toilet?

Op, he needs his housekeeping commenting on. It’s not ok for his toilet to be that bad the kids don’t want to use it. If he doesn’t want it commenting on he should clean it more often.

Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz · 13/10/2025 00:11

Just bumping this as this is sadly still an issue.

I had the talk when initially posted this thread. He got the hump as expected.

Got very very reluctantly invited into the house recently (only into the front room) and it seems just as bad. I dread to think what the bathroom is like.

I'm not sure what else to do or at what point I would change/reduce contact but it just seems grim to me! I don't want my kids thinking this level of filth and grime in a home is acceptable.

My DS has always been a mummy's boy and I've always encouraged contact but I'm feeling more and more guilty doing so knowing what a state the place is in. 😢

Is there a point that the filth in a house becomes a concern from a safeguarding/neglect point of view?! I feel like me saying it he just takes as me having a dig at him but I'm really not. I've hated having to bring it up but I have for ds's sake. 😔

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Opal888 · 13/10/2025 00:17

Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz · 13/10/2025 00:11

Just bumping this as this is sadly still an issue.

I had the talk when initially posted this thread. He got the hump as expected.

Got very very reluctantly invited into the house recently (only into the front room) and it seems just as bad. I dread to think what the bathroom is like.

I'm not sure what else to do or at what point I would change/reduce contact but it just seems grim to me! I don't want my kids thinking this level of filth and grime in a home is acceptable.

My DS has always been a mummy's boy and I've always encouraged contact but I'm feeling more and more guilty doing so knowing what a state the place is in. 😢

Is there a point that the filth in a house becomes a concern from a safeguarding/neglect point of view?! I feel like me saying it he just takes as me having a dig at him but I'm really not. I've hated having to bring it up but I have for ds's sake. 😔

Hi I don't have anything really.useful to add but I've been in this exact situation with my ex husband many many years ago. DC no longer want contact, 50% of the reason is how exh keeps his house

Yes it is a safeguarding concern for your children and I would be very factually saying this to.him and keeping the kids away from.contact until sorted.

Poppyseeds79 · 13/10/2025 00:20

Has he got the money for a cleaner? Also, does he not wash himself either? (as in have you noticed him smelling too). I think he's been really awful and not stepping up as a parent here. As you say it's fine if he wants to be smelly, but not fair to put that onto the kids.

You could ring SS and put in a report, but will it do more harm than good if he knows it came from you?... I'd be tempted to just say someone else has commented on the kids smelling when they've come back from him. And you're worried in case the school comment on it & raise a concern 🤔 That might push him to clean his act up, literally.

Isittimeformynapyet · 13/10/2025 00:31

Is his mummy still around @Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz? And if so, are you in touch with her and in good terms? Maybe she could help him.

I thought one pp's suggestion of encouraging your sons to tell him how they feel was a good one, although I can imagine there's reasons why this wouldn't be possible.

Is your ex being upset something to be feared, or do you just not like upsetting people in general? No judgement, but sometimes we have to bite the bullet. Better to piss him right off in one go and get it sorted than to pussyfoot around him with an undercurrent for months and a child with bowel problems.

I wish you luck with it.

Barney16 · 13/10/2025 00:35

If he has the money to pay a cleaner then keep at him until he gets a cleaner. It would improve his life and your kids life too. Men can be utterly grim sometimes.

JetFlight · 13/10/2025 00:37

Why would you be so gentle about this?
Tell him straight up that his house is disgusting and unsafe and your dc will not be allowed to stay there until it’s clean. Tell him to get a cleaner if he’s so incompetent.
God knows what their beds are like. poor kids.

ComedyGuns · 13/10/2025 00:48

JetFlight · 13/10/2025 00:37

Why would you be so gentle about this?
Tell him straight up that his house is disgusting and unsafe and your dc will not be allowed to stay there until it’s clean. Tell him to get a cleaner if he’s so incompetent.
God knows what their beds are like. poor kids.

This!! It’s just not fair on your children. Stop worrying about his feelings being hurt - he needs to step up as their father and provide a decent living space for them if he’s going to be hosting them weekly.

tinyspiny · 13/10/2025 00:53

I agree with the previous posters , you’ve tried to be nice and it isn’t working so be honest - he either gets the house cleaned and kept at a reasonable level or the kids will not be visiting because they have chosen not to .

99bottlesofkombucha · 13/10/2025 00:56

Neveranynamesleft · 06/09/2024 21:17

@Stath

Not necessarily. If she was aware of anything she could possibly have dealt with it instead of coming on here. Nobody knows what goes on behind other people's closed doors.
I'm not saying I would go clean the house from top to bottom but if my kids were going to his and I knew it wasn't nice for them then I would want to help do something about it for their sake.

I would too. I’d keep my kids at mine where they can poo healthily while their other adult parent gets their shit together.

teddywithpinkears · 13/10/2025 00:57

Ewww what if the kids catch something.
Can he get a cleaner to come once a week?

ACynicalDad · 13/10/2025 01:01

I had a friend with a grim toilet, I ended up taking a harpic tablet and dropping it down the loo. Are either of your children old enough to unwrap one and drop it down the loo? Not ideal, but nothing about this is.

caringcarer · 13/10/2025 01:30

You need to teach your DC to poo at school before going to his Dad's.

Lavenderandbrown · 13/10/2025 04:03

end the overnights Visitation for a few hours only and once home straight to the shower and wash clothes. If he isn’t cleaning his toilet is he changing beds?
Are your children are old enough to explain in court why they no longer want to spend
night? It sounds like they are.
don’t clean/don’t mention a cleaner/don’t tell
his mum./ don’t explain he’s causing his son severe bowl issues… Just end the overnights. Seriously being sent to sleep/ eat/ study/ breathe in a filthy house is traumatizing for your children.
he has lost his parental rights regarding overnite visits and I’m confident anyone involved in your custody arrangements will agree.

AnxiousAnnieeeeeeeeee · 13/10/2025 04:09

It’s having an impact on the children -
sorry if I missed something but if there isn’t a court order in place I would be suggesting that they see him without staying overnight.

5128gap · 13/10/2025 04:26

SaffronsMadAboutMe · 06/09/2024 21:47

If he was a Mumsnetter and female the thread would be full of questions about depression/anxiety/neurodiversity etc.

Do any of these apply?

What difference does it make? Reasons/excuses don't make the house less disgusting or OPs son able to use the toilet, do they? There is no room here for "if it were a woman.." man defending nonsense. This is children going to a home where the condition makes them smell and be ill, and they are the priority, not the theoretical problems of a man the OP has no obligation towards.
I'm with the firm and clear approach OP. Tell him his son won't use his toilet as its too dirty, that this is making him ill and that if he can't resolve it the overnight will have to stop. If he's anywhere near a decent dad he'll sort it.

jeaux90 · 13/10/2025 06:37

FGS. He is a fully functioning adult just tell him it’s gross and he needs to clean his toilet because it’s impacting the DC. JFC the ex is not a child.

daisychain01 · 13/10/2025 06:44

All this tiptoeing round to save the poor manz ego. And suggesting the OP becomes his unpaid skivvy. He is an ex for a reason,

@Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz id refuse to let your kids sleep there until his home is in a habitable condition. Tell him unless he gets his act together, he can take the kids to a restaurant for lunch and that's all.

THISbitchingwitch · 13/10/2025 07:35

I think i would also be stopping overnights unless court ordered

I seperated from the dcs dad earlier this year and from what I've seen of his house its also grim although probably not on your exs level as its only been a few months since I cleaned it - your ex doesn't sound to have cleaned in a long time

My dc visit his house for a few hours a week, no overnights. I have noticed though if items like clothing come back after being there for a while they stink mostly of stale smoke

I think you need to be blunt about the smell in their clothes and the toilet situation etc

Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz · 15/10/2025 18:49

I'm not scared of upsetting him eg he's not abusive or aggressive.

The questions about is he ND, is he depressed etc, I am both of these things! My house is clean. The toilet is clean. The kids beds and clothes are clean etc. My kids come first and their well being and needs are met in my home because I love them and want the best for them.

But no, as far as I'm aware he's neither of those. Even if he is, he is also a parent.

I just don't understand how even if you are person that doesn't care if you live in a filthy house yourself, how you can just not care about your KIDS being in a house of filth. 😢

His parents and siblings live far away. I don't think he invites his friends round. So no one really sees inside his house except for the kids. 😔

Those asking why haven't I just talked to him about it, I have. It was very awkward and nothing has changed.

I think I am going to chat to the kids about it again, and see if they can tell me more about how they feel about it. They only sleep one night a week so it wouldn't be a massive drop if we stopped the overnights.

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Whatwouldyoudoaboutthiz · 15/10/2025 18:52

Generally we are polite and speak to each other, attend things like parents evening together, are flexible about changes eg swapping days.

He's a bit of an easy life / Disney dad so the fact the youngest still doesn't want to go is quite telling as he gets away with a lot more there than he does here as I'm more strict!

We don't have anything court ordered, things have always been polite and civil so nothing like court orders have been needed.

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