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To think dogs shouldn't be off lead in public if they don't come when you call

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ladylasagne · 04/09/2024 10:34

So I should start by saying I love dogs, I think they're great. I generally have no issue with them being off lead in public if they are well behaved and obey a call to heel.

Today I was out doing my morning run. I was running along a well used footpath, that is popular with lots of people. I saw a lady with two dogs off lead (fairly little terriers) running all over the place, paying no mind to her shouts for them to come. I slowed right down as I approached (I was already pretty slow as I'm really not fast runner). When I was about 10 meters away (or 30-40 ft if you're old school), these dogs start running full speed towards me. Whichever way I moved, they would change direction to still be heading for me, so I just stopped and stood still hoping to avoid an accident, and both dogs crashed into my legs. It really hurt, but luckily I'm pretty solid because it was a hard enough impact that it could've done damage to anyone frail or vulnerable using that path. I dread to think how painful it must have been for the poor dogs. I stepped around the dogs and walked on until I was far enough away to start running again.

As I walked passed this lady, she said sorry (so she obviously knew she was in the wrong on some level!). Maybe I should have left it at that, but I couldn't bite tongue and so I said to her "don't let them off the lead if they don't come when you call", she replied "yeahhhh sorry". I didn't swear, I didn't shout, but I just couldn't let it pass without saying something. Whenever I see people doing this with dogs, I just think it's a matter of time before the dog runs in front of a car or ends up getting hurt as a result of irresponsible dog ownership, and it really upsets me.

20 minutes later, I'm running back along the path in the other direction. Surprise surprise, same dogs running around off lead, same lady pointlessly shouting at them. I slowed down to a walk and just walked past because I didn't want a repeat of the incident. The dogs were running up to me, I had to repeatedly step over and around them while trying to get past again. I said nothing to this woman (what more can I say really?!?) but I was shaking my head (very british) and just held my arms up in the air (half in despair, half to demonstrate to the dogs that I have nothing on me of interest - it works sometimes, not this time). This lady obviously recognised me, and just starts shouting "they have as much right to be here as you". I continued to say nothing, walked passed, and eventually was able to start running again.

So my question is, was I wrong to say to her that her dogs shouldn't be off lead if they don't come when you call? Should I have just keep my mouth shut, and accepted that I now have a bruise on my leg because of her dogs being allowed to run all over the place?

Thanks in advance ladies. I want opinions but please be kind, I do feel quite sensitive at the moment. The woman really shouted at me, I'm a very delicate, sensitive person inside and I did find it quite intimidating. Also, I ran a different route today because last week a lovely man in a van who is now regularly parked along my usual route shouted something out the window at me (didn't hear it fully but it involved the word 'chunky', so probabaly not a compliment) and I was really upset. He still parks there sitting in his van eating his Ginsters pasty for breakfast, and I still don't feel up to running past him again yet. I just want to be able to run in peace, I'm fat and it's a cheap way to exercise!

OP posts:
Rummly · 04/09/2024 17:30

Verv · 04/09/2024 17:25

Cats decimate local environments, and having just read about the group of teenagers who have recentlymurdered an 80 year old dog walker i wondered if somebody so clearly proficient at fantasy law-making as you had any bright ideas to get those beauties under control.

You can save your eye rolling for somebody likely to be affected by it.

Edited

Yeah, that’s entirely avoiding the point about humans not being pets. But I think you know that.

I wouldn’t be against restrictions on cats. It’s just that they’re not the anti-social and personally hazardous problem that dogs routinely are.

SpilltheTea · 04/09/2024 17:32

She's an idiot and she knows it.

autumnbake · 04/09/2024 17:42

YANBU. When in public, dogs should be kept on leads at all times IMO.

I felt like London was home to the most awful/selfish dog owners when I lived there (DH included). Dogs always off lead/no recall/owners letting big dogs run and jump upto you in public parks with 'oh dont worry he's friendly'. I was knocked over twice as I didn't expect the force some of them had, although I am only 5'2.

Back living in the countryside now, and everyone here mostly keeps dogs on short leads due to the wildlife/farm animals here. This was much to DH's shock that everyone didn't take kindly to him walking Ddog off lead (near horses & sheep) and wondered why no dog walkers were friendly to him... 🙄 (Ddog has no recall with DH, does with me funnily enough, but DH learned his lesson and keeps him on a lead now anyway.)

adidasclassicsanddance · 04/09/2024 17:51

I'm with you, OP. We currently have a young labrador who is overly friendly to all dogs, as many young labradors are, but she's not allowed to greet them on lead and we certainly wouldn't have her off lead yet. She will be off lead in public when her recall is excellent but even then we will pick exactly where she's allowed to be.

We hire enclosed paddocks or take her to friends' farms/land for her off lead activity.

In much the same way I respect other dog owners by not letting her in their dogs' space, I would equally appreciate off lead dogs with unreliable recall not getting up in hers, which makes her more reactive at a time when we're trying hard to train her to walk calmly and sensibly.

She had a pretty bad encounter with an off lead dog a few weeks ago - this dog would not leave her alone and I feel it's set her progress back a lot.

I find the owners that let them off lead and have no control, yet shout "but they're friendly" are often the ones who own dogs which are anything but.

Verv · 04/09/2024 17:53

Rummly · 04/09/2024 17:30

Yeah, that’s entirely avoiding the point about humans not being pets. But I think you know that.

I wouldn’t be against restrictions on cats. It’s just that they’re not the anti-social and personally hazardous problem that dogs routinely are.

Not ignoring it in the slightest. You know humans can be curfewed to protect the public in the same way that pets can, right?

Cats are antisocial, they enter other peoples gardens, shit on private property, kill birds and small animals and their feces can contain parasites that can cause toxoplasmosis in humans, not to mention the fact that their bite carries a higher infection risk than that of a dog, for example.
You may not find them as "antisocial" but that doesnt mean that they arent so

It's always worth ascertaining whether people are anti public menace or just anti dog when reading their proclamations.

Rummly · 04/09/2024 18:09

Verv · 04/09/2024 17:53

Not ignoring it in the slightest. You know humans can be curfewed to protect the public in the same way that pets can, right?

Cats are antisocial, they enter other peoples gardens, shit on private property, kill birds and small animals and their feces can contain parasites that can cause toxoplasmosis in humans, not to mention the fact that their bite carries a higher infection risk than that of a dog, for example.
You may not find them as "antisocial" but that doesnt mean that they arent so

It's always worth ascertaining whether people are anti public menace or just anti dog when reading their proclamations.

Not ignoring it in the slightest. You know humans can be curfewed to protect the public in the same way that pets can, right?

It's always worth ascertaining whether people are anti public menace or just anti dog when reading their proclamations.

It’s always worth ascertaining whether dog owners simply want to avoid any sensible restrictions on their dogs - which many countries impose for the public good - because they’re just selfish and are foolish enough to make an equivalence between dogs and humans.

I think we’ve ascertained that here pretty clearly.

Why should you care if your dog has to be on a lead in a public place? What’s the big problem to you?

WhichWallpaper · 04/09/2024 18:14

Rummly · 04/09/2024 18:09

Not ignoring it in the slightest. You know humans can be curfewed to protect the public in the same way that pets can, right?

It's always worth ascertaining whether people are anti public menace or just anti dog when reading their proclamations.

It’s always worth ascertaining whether dog owners simply want to avoid any sensible restrictions on their dogs - which many countries impose for the public good - because they’re just selfish and are foolish enough to make an equivalence between dogs and humans.

I think we’ve ascertained that here pretty clearly.

Why should you care if your dog has to be on a lead in a public place? What’s the big problem to you?

It's my dog that will suffer for it not me.

For me a walk round the block on lead would suffice. For him, not so much. Which is why he is trained

Rummly · 04/09/2024 18:18

WhichWallpaper · 04/09/2024 18:14

It's my dog that will suffer for it not me.

For me a walk round the block on lead would suffice. For him, not so much. Which is why he is trained

So you’d find a non-public space to let your dog run around. 🤷‍♀️

Lordofmyflies · 04/09/2024 18:18

You're absolutely right Op. I love dogs. We have a dog. But on a public footpath / area he is on a lead to ensure complete control. I am sick of off-lead dogs running up to mine to say 'hello'. Control your dogs!

WhichWallpaper · 04/09/2024 18:19

Rummly · 04/09/2024 18:18

So you’d find a non-public space to let your dog run around. 🤷‍♀️

I don't need to. I am fine with the green space near my house and the linked lane walks. Have been fine with that the entire time I've owned dogs.

Rummly · 04/09/2024 18:22

WhichWallpaper · 04/09/2024 18:19

I don't need to. I am fine with the green space near my house and the linked lane walks. Have been fine with that the entire time I've owned dogs.

You would have to if the law changed to require leads in public places, as it should do.

WhichWallpaper · 04/09/2024 18:23

Rummly · 04/09/2024 18:22

You would have to if the law changed to require leads in public places, as it should do.

Well, I don't need to worry about that do I. So I won't.

MineIsALemonFanta · 04/09/2024 18:25

Responsible dog owners are becoming rarer and rarer. Thank goodness for dog-free beaches and cafes, it made our summer much nicer than it otherwise would have been.
YANBU

Mumofoneandone · 04/09/2024 18:27

They are actually breaking the law by having their dog off lead and out of control.
Completely infuriating and totally unacceptable.

Rummly · 04/09/2024 18:31

WhichWallpaper · 04/09/2024 18:23

Well, I don't need to worry about that do I. So I won't.

No, you don’t. Which is why it’s so perplexing that dog owners react so defensively to anyone who supports better restrictions.

OhmygodDont · 04/09/2024 18:35

A dog off lead not responding to its owner is not a dog under control.

Its technically a crime to have a dog out of control so yeah her out of control mutts do certainly have less right to be there than you.

On a lead or under control fine.

But because they are tiny shitty sized dogs people don’t tend to care hilarious because they are always the worst bloody behaved.

Beesandhoney123 · 04/09/2024 18:42

I have dogs. I also run. I hate seeing dogs off the lead when running because they always chase me. Despite being called!

My dogs are always on leads unless middle of nowhere or an enclosed space. They have excellent recall mostly, but I would rather not have the stress.

The owner was wrong to speak to you like that.

WhichWallpaper · 04/09/2024 18:42

Rummly · 04/09/2024 18:31

No, you don’t. Which is why it’s so perplexing that dog owners react so defensively to anyone who supports better restrictions.

I've not been defensive

SoManyTshirts · 04/09/2024 18:44

I had a lab come up behind me this afternoon (I was queueing) and put its dirty paws on my (clothed) bottom. Owner did nothing, I turned around and shouted “FUCK OFF” at it. IME it’s the language they understand best.

Possibly outing, but I don’t care.

JohnofWessex · 04/09/2024 18:59

When I had issues with a neighbours dog I was advised by both The Police and The Dog Warden that the same rights of self defence apply to a dog as a human so the owners could have been looking at a dead dog.

Take a big stick.

Does van mans vehicle have any branding if so report it to his employers, you can also report it to The Police.

Its a pity you canty lose your driving licence for this sort of thing

AgileGreenSeal · 04/09/2024 19:05

I live near a lovely beach and spend as much time there as possible. Unfortunately it also seems to be the dog toilet for the vicinity.

Apart from the issues with poo the other major annoyance is the way so few owners keep their dogs on the lead. Almost none of them ever come to heel when called. It’s like live re-runs of the famous “Fenton” video from years back.

And then the dogs want to come over to where I’m sitting on my rug, having a cuppa or whatever and slobber / growl / bark / sniff all over it etc. Invariably the owner stops calling Fido (because Fido has no intention of going back) and instead says to me
“he’s so nosey” or “she’s just being friendly” or some other inane excuse that means
I knew my dog would be an annoyance to you but I couldn’t be bothered putting it on the lead”.

I don’t care how amusingly nosey or friendly your annoying fur baby is- I don’t want it on my picnic blanket!
JUST USE THE LEAD!

0BonneMaman0 · 04/09/2024 19:18

Some people shouldn't own dogs... some people shouldn't drive cars.

BurntBroccoli · 04/09/2024 19:25

Absolutely not being unreasonable at all!

I've had experiences where dogs much larger have been allowed to approach me and jump up. Completely terrifying and I'm a dog lover!
In one instance I told the owner to put them on a lead when I saw them approaching but they refused and said it was within their right to not have them leashed. Dogs jumped up of course and dig their sharp nails into me plus my clothes were covered in mud.

Owners had form apparently and were much commented about on the local Facebook page.

unsync · 04/09/2024 19:31

My dog had shocking recall despite lots of training. He was never off lead in public. I think if I'd had him from a pup, he would have got there, but I was his third home by eighteen months and he'd been used as a bait dog so had other more pressing behaviours to deal with.

AgileGreenSeal · 04/09/2024 19:39

Butteredtoast55 · 04/09/2024 11:39

YANBU! I would class my good friend as a responsible dog owner. We were walking on the beach not that long ago and she let her dog off the lead (it's an area where they can go). He was completely overexcited and would not come back when called. He then ran over to a family's stuff (they were playing beach cricket or similar) and cocked his leg on a backpack. She literally just said "Oops, I don't think they noticed" and laughed.
I was horrified. I happened to have wipes on me so made her go and clean it off and apologise then we finished our walk in frosty silence. I genuinely think some dog owners don't really grasp the impact their dogs have on others.

When swimming and keeping an eye on my stuff while in the water Ive lost track of how often a free running dog has had a good sniff round my bag on the sand. Owners seem to have zero foresight that this could happen and are always surprised. 🙄
So far no piss but I will be livid if it ever happens.

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