Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

Well quite. Ask Brearey and Jayaram that. If the unit had been downgraded in 2015 after the first three deaths, most of the babies that died over the next year wouldn’t have been in the unit at all.

Right, so because the plumber used the actual name of the water source (foul water drainage vs surface water drainage) rather than saying "sewage", they must have meant that it definitely came from a dishwasher or sink, rather than the toilets?

I don't understand that logic, but that kind of peculiar thought process does make a lot of things clearer tbh

Sorry not sure how that relates to my post??

It’s a moot point as pseudomonas was found in the water system anyway.

Sewage is the main source of pseudomonas. It has been consistently found in domestic and hospital sewage. In* *domestic sewage the amount is generally < 30,000/ 100 ml; whereas in hospital sewage > 500,000/ 100 ml is frequently found.

Even if it wasn’t a case of the hospital being downgraded, or the possibility that the deaths were caused by something other than murder, if someone else was responsible they might have had the sense to stop when they realised there was suspicion and an investigation going on.

The “simple fix” that dramatically “improved performance” was downgrading the hospital

There’s no evidence that there were any murders. This was never an investigation into murder, it was an investigation of Lucy Letby.

Absolutely.

She's definitely guilty.

All the documentaries made ain't going to change that fact.

No one cares whether people in the general public are unsure now - the jury has already decided on all the evidence given and LL is in prison for the foreseeable.

It’s not just the general public, and juries are not infallible.

Absolutely brilliant article - Letby’s Fanclub should all be made to read it - and weep.

“But the death of early neonates at the CoCH was unusual – there were only three a year in 2013 and 2014 – and most of the babies that Letby was convicted of murdering were relatively healthy. None of them was expected to die, but they all suddenly collapsed, often shortly after their parents had left their bedside or after Letby came on duty”.

And further ‘ The Poundshop Poirots who unwittingly regurgitate Letby’s talking points have been no more able than she was to explain how dodgy plumbing and occasional understaffing caused the events of 2015 and 2016, let alone how it caused two babies to be poisoned by insulin.

None of these babies died from infection/sepsis.

I think most of us with concerns about the conviction read it and laughed. He’s very certain for someone who knows so little.

The irony of your statement 😂

I laughed actually. Poorly informed and badly written, he has not or cannot remotely get his head around the science or the stats.

Spiked Online is not a reputable source. You might want to look into their history, especially their links to genocide denial.

Someone else who was responsible yet wasn't there for most of the collapses? Unlike LL who was there for 25, yes very plausible. Boy someone really must've had a grudge against her mustn't they?! And then they somehow managed to stop the minute LL was removed. I mean why not just believe LL actually was the murderer, why is that SO impossible to accept?

I really hope the Lucy is innocent brigade come back and apologise and admit they were wrong when her other crimes (that probably started at Liverpool) come to light. How are you going to blame it on the unit and the plumbing or the doctors or some other unknown serial killer then?

Autopsies all concluded natural causes including the ones she killed.

it was a medical expert that changed that finding after the autopsies were undertaken, his findings were decided from doctors notes and hypothesis - not actual testing / findings from the time of autopsy.

Either he hasn’t understood or he chooses not to listen to the senior medics who have explained these points. Although “occasional” understaffing is just a lie - the RCPCH report is not hard to understand (unless of course he hasn’t read it). He is clearly unaware how ignorant he has shown himself up to be.

Wow you're laying blame at the doctors that did all they could to stop the deaths and tried to get the one responsible removed rather than the literal serial killer? And it's not true that most of the babies wouldn't have been there-they still would've taken most of them after the downgrade. The deaths stopped because Lucy was removed. I can't imagine what this sort of crap must do to the parents of the babies and staff members at that hospital-it even gets me irate and I'm not involved at all.

I'm not in the Lucy Letby fanclub and I'm betting the Royal Statistical Society aren't either- the point is when you get a 'cluster' of deaths, you have to do very careful comparisons with other clusters.

In this instance- you would want to know if there was a cluster that year, was there a cluster when she wasn't on duty (some reports say yes, 6-10 other deaths) or in another place (some reports say yes, in another unit she didn't work on).

They are interested in developing better statistical protocols for picking these cases up earlier- surely everyone would want that, whether you think she's guilty or not, because it would have picked up this particular cluster (and any others in the same hospital) earlier. The fact that none of these deaths was reported as suspicious and so many 'incidents' occurred before the alarm was raised is already a failure, a failure to either detect a murderer, a failure to detect other reasons for deaths, or both.

Yeah sorry but that article doesn't address any of the problems with this case. It's almost like the author has no understanding of the concerns and has taken no effort to attempt to understand, just wants to talk down to "poundshop poirots"

Shame, I'd actually like to see someone who has sufficient understanding and yet disagrees' opinion.

Pound Shop Poirots-I feel a name change coming on 😂

Yes between 2013 and 2014 there was only 3 BUT 2015-2016 there was 17 only 7 of which she could have been responsible for - as she wasn’t there for the other 10….. errm so who killed the other 10? Highly likely there’s environmental factors here Or are we looking for another murder? That’s so unlucky, 2 serial killers in the same neonatal unit…

On the contrary the real experts were the expert neonatal pathologists who carried out the autopsies, which are gold standard of determining the cause of death.

They were overturned by a retired paediatrician who is not himself a pathologist or a forensic scientist, in breach of normal medical-legal process. This is all most irregular and it’s unclear how this was allowed to happen..

The due process should have been to go back to the coroner and if necessary exhume bodies and have forensic autopsies performed by people who were acfually qualified to do so. That is what happened with Shipman.

Do you think the surge in still births was Letby too?