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Dad says I’m overreacting about him holding mug of tea over baby?

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KellyJellyfish · 30/08/2024 19:51

First time Mum to a 7 month old, for the most part I think I’m fairly laid back (just that sort of person) and husband agrees. I go and visit my parents once a week and stay the night (at their request, so they can spend time with LO) also it’s nice to be around them and my younger sister who lives at home, plus husband gets a night to himself. We’ve been doing this for about 2 months now, I don’t feel as if I’m imposing as parents seem to bend over backwards to accommodate us (unprompted) and are upset if we miss a week.

However, recently tensions have been rising between me and my 70yr old Dad. Dad and I have always got on well but butted heads in a spirited way (debates about politics etc, but never arguments or anything that left a sour taste in anyone’s mouth, we both really enjoy long conversations and can talk about anything).

I guess Mum and Dad are fairly traditional in the sense that Dad was the breadwinner and Mum the main caregiver (she has always worked full time though, Dad is now retired). As such Dad was a bit clueless when it came to baby care whereas Mum jumped right in naturally. We’ve both been nothing but patient with him, but suffice to say he’s really only in it for the ‘fun Grandad’ side of things and will hand her to Mum or me if she needs a nappy change or feeding (bottle).

Something weird happened the last couple of visits that got me thinking. He’s just started bickering with me about things. Started with inconsequential things like TV shows we were both watching and details he misremembered but was adamant he was right and I was wrong (I dropped it as he’d just find out as the show progressed)

But recently it’s been more personal. He made a comment about how I shouldn’t complain so much because my husband won’t stand for it (implying he might walk out), no idea where that’s comes from as I don’t nag my husband and there’s no friction between us. Then last week he was being a bit daft with the baby (he can be a bit careless, jiggling her about after a feed, losing his balance and nearly dropping her once, not putting the break on the pram on a slope or right by a road and walking away, that sort of thing).

So what happened was she was on her playmat and he kneeled down to talk to her with a full mug of tea in hand, I was a little on guard but said nothing, the mug had brightly coloured animals on it and she took an interest in it, Dad noticed this so he held the mug out to her, her little hand about half an inch away from the mug reaching out. She’s at an age where she wants to grab and hold everything, she’s also in a ‘slapping’ phase and will hit objects and people, so I put 2 and 2 together and foresaw what might happen (all over Mum’s cream carpet no less). I was polite, no rude tone, I simply said ‘maybe not so close with the mug, Dad’ and he snapped back at me ‘you’re ALWAYS complaining, all you do is complain, the tea’s not even hot it’s only warm! I don’t know how your husband puts up with your constant complaining, you’re being completely ridiculous!’

I was completely taken aback by this and very annoyed, especially the comments about my husband, so I shot back that husband would be on my side if he was here. Dad then accused me of lying to my husband, said ‘of course he’s going to be on your side when you go home and lie that I had boiling hot tea!’ and he started doing an unpleasant impression of me speaking to my husband about how awful Dad is, he continued ‘it wouldn’t hurt her anyway, it’s just warm tea, she’d just get a bit wet!’ at this point it escalated into him shouting over me and me shouting back, I could see it was upsetting LO so told Dad to go away to end the interaction and he did. I tried to avoid him the rest of the evening and Mum drove us home instead of him a while later.

I was so turned around by the whole thing I started to doubt myself, was I one of those anxious helicopter Mums? Did I complain all the time? Was I being unfair to husband without even realising it?

I told husband what happened and asked him to give it to me straight, he told me a few things I should work on but he knows I’m already aware of (stuff like not sweating the small stuff and not getting bogged down in what all the baby books say etc) but he said that ultimately I’m fine, I don’t complain or nag and that he absolutely would have said something about the mug of tea if he’d been there, in fact he said he would have spoken up even if it was just a glass of water, because he too could connect the dots on what might happen if LO slapped the glass. He said my Dad’s comments were really strange and totally out of character.

I’m not sure what to do now. I don’t want to not visit my parents, but this behaviour cannot continue to escalate. Do I bring up what happened? Wait for the next incident? Involve Mum? I just feel pretty rubbish about the whole thing tbh. Any advice welcome.

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DisforDarkChocolate · 30/08/2024 19:55

Either there is some cognitive decline or it's actually too much to visit every week.

I think you were perfectly reasonable but I'd cut back the visits.

comedycentral · 30/08/2024 19:55

Is this out of character for your Dad? Is his health declining?
Also it might be time to break this frequent, expected sleepover, it will get harder to maintain once little one gets older and has friends and other interests. Plus it sounds like it's starting to be less of a treat and more of a chore.

graceinspace999 · 30/08/2024 19:56

Sounds very stressful. I’m wondering what your mum thinks? Could he be becoming I’ll?

Why not ask her if she’s noticed any strange or unusual behaviour.

LissyG · 30/08/2024 20:01

I'd back off staying each week, it's clearly not working. I dont think warm tea would have been a problem and I'd probably leave an adult to it in that situation, as if you're already butting heads it's the type of thing that will annoy someone. But I'd just back off, let them ask you why you're not going anymore and explain its because your Dad is being awful towards you.

TomatoSandwiches · 30/08/2024 20:03

YANBU

Did your mother not say anything about this?

Newuser75 · 30/08/2024 20:04

graceinspace999 · 30/08/2024 19:56

Sounds very stressful. I’m wondering what your mum thinks? Could he be becoming I’ll?

Why not ask her if she’s noticed any strange or unusual behaviour.

I'd agree with this. His behaviour sounds concerning.

KellyJellyfish · 30/08/2024 20:05

Regarding comments about Dad’s health - last year he had an accident where he fell off a ladder doing odd jobs for the local church and unfortunately wasn’t found straight away, he suffered major head trauma and took a while to recover. A few months ago he had an unrelated brain scan (doctor was investigating bad headaches that turned out to be nothing) and noticed signs he’d previously had a stroke, we suspect shortly after the accident and the doctors missed it, it would explain his slow recovery and cognitive problems at the time, sadly this meant he never received treatment for the stroke but we thought it was ok as he never had any classic stroke symptoms.

But yes, I am now starting to wonder if this is a sign of decline and we should be more concerned about his health. I will speak to my sister about keeping an eye on him and see if she notices anything else.

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5128gap · 30/08/2024 20:11

Speak to your mum. Tell her your dad's behaviour has worried you a bit lately. Give her the examples you've given here. Ask her if she's noticed anything. If there is some decline she may be glad of a chance to share.

pinkducky · 30/08/2024 20:11

My health visitor told me that accidents with hot drinks are a top cause of baby's ending up in A&E. Every time I make a hot drink for a visitor at home I ask that they keep in either in their hands or on the high side table (not the low table or on the floor).

You weren't to know that the tea wasn't boiling hot. It's a perfectly acceptable thing to say. I would stop the overnight visits.

IntrepidCat · 30/08/2024 20:12

A head injury and stroke would certainly answer the change to his personality but unfortunately it’s likely to be permanent, he won’t realise it so won’t accept he is acting out of character, and he’s probably going to continue to decline. I think you have to accept that this is the new him although you don’t have to accept that you will spend time with him or expose your child to him.

I also agree that staying each week isn’t working out and perhaps your mum is only so accommodating because it dilutes your dad somewhat!

I don’t think the tea incident (warm liquid potentially splashing) is a huge deal but I also don’t think that’s really the issue here; it’s a build up of events and it’s understandable that you would have less tolerance after several incidents.

KellyJellyfish · 30/08/2024 20:15

TomatoSandwiches · 30/08/2024 20:03

YANBU

Did your mother not say anything about this?

Mum was out of the room but I could see she was in earshot in the hall, she hates confrontation though so I may struggle to address this with her, I’d have better luck with my adult sister who also lives there

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Psychologymam · 30/08/2024 20:16

You are totally in the right with hot drinks - shouldn’t be near small kids. Im pretty anxiously driven but my husband is quite relaxed but he switched to using travel mugs with lids all the time and ours are older. Scalding is horrible, why would you risk it.
strokes can lead to some frontal lobe damage and the irritability and unusual personality quirks could be linked - I’d check in with your mother and ask her to support him going to GP. It’s so tricky and I think you can be really empathetic but obviously baby safety comes first.

anareen · 30/08/2024 20:17

My first thought is he may be experiencing cognitive decline. That is concerning in itself but definitely with baby. I would keep a close eye if he is handling or around DD.

What a tough situation. I am so sorry. How do you think mum would react if you spoke to her and voiced your concerns. I wonder if she has noticed any change in behavior herself with him. I would think about maybe visiting for a few hours but not overnight anymore.

BirthdayRainbow · 30/08/2024 20:17

I feel sorry for your dad. He must know he is not being himself and must be scared and worried. However, your baby is the most importantly person in this scenario and her safety has to come before anything. Speak to your mum, she needs to encourage your dad to get a check up, and suggest you pick the baby up when anyone is having a hot drink, not just him. Warm can still do damage.

BeachRide · 30/08/2024 20:17

KellyJellyfish · 30/08/2024 20:05

Regarding comments about Dad’s health - last year he had an accident where he fell off a ladder doing odd jobs for the local church and unfortunately wasn’t found straight away, he suffered major head trauma and took a while to recover. A few months ago he had an unrelated brain scan (doctor was investigating bad headaches that turned out to be nothing) and noticed signs he’d previously had a stroke, we suspect shortly after the accident and the doctors missed it, it would explain his slow recovery and cognitive problems at the time, sadly this meant he never received treatment for the stroke but we thought it was ok as he never had any classic stroke symptoms.

But yes, I am now starting to wonder if this is a sign of decline and we should be more concerned about his health. I will speak to my sister about keeping an eye on him and see if she notices anything else.

He's still driving?! Also, lukewarm tea dropped on baby, no biggie. But a heavy mug dropped on a baby could cause serious damage. If anything, you're under-reacting to his actions.

Quodraceratops · 30/08/2024 20:21

Given the history of head injury and stroke I would be questioning if there is behavioural change due to brain injury. Might be worth talking to his GP about a cognitive assessment.
Or he may just find having another adult & baby sleeping over every week too much for him- tolerance of change and busyness is much lower when we're older and set in our ways.

KellyJellyfish · 30/08/2024 20:27

anareen · 30/08/2024 20:17

My first thought is he may be experiencing cognitive decline. That is concerning in itself but definitely with baby. I would keep a close eye if he is handling or around DD.

What a tough situation. I am so sorry. How do you think mum would react if you spoke to her and voiced your concerns. I wonder if she has noticed any change in behavior herself with him. I would think about maybe visiting for a few hours but not overnight anymore.

Honestly I’m not sure, we’ve had conversations about it in the past closer to the time of his accident, but I think she’s just keen to believe everything it ‘back to normal’, plus living with him every day she won’t see changes I see.

visiting for a short time is difficult, parents are about 1.5hr drive away (or longer as there’s major motorway roadworks) and at the moment we’re down to one car (and husband needs it) so I’m relying on them for lifts as they’re retired. We stay over to break up the journey for LO a bit, but as she gets bigger this may not be necessary, and husband is able to do more of the drop offs/pick ups now.

Previously they used to come to us, but they seem to prefer I come to them so they can get on with their day around the house and running errands etc.

I think you and others are right though, scaling back the visits to once or twice a month would be better going forward. They were about to end anyway as I return to work in October, BUT Mum has volunteered to look after LO every Friday, and I’m now starting to worry about her being there without me as Mum is busy so Dad would be spending a lot of unsupervised time with her. I think I’ll try and suggest Mum comes to ours instead, I WFH on Fridays so at least can keep half an eye on her.

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lightsandtunnels · 30/08/2024 20:27

I agree with PPs that there may be some cognitive problem with your Dad as a result of his head injury. However, of course, the priority here is the safety of your baby. Holding a 'warm' hot drink close to a baby is a massive no no - I'm a GP and would never go near my Grandbabies with a cup of tea.
I'd definitely suggest you speak with your Mum about your concerns about his behaviour and his interaction with your baby. She has probably noticed all of it but it will of course be a massive worry to your Mum to think and possibly admit that there is a problem with your Dad.

Maray1967 · 30/08/2024 20:30

BeachRide · 30/08/2024 20:17

He's still driving?! Also, lukewarm tea dropped on baby, no biggie. But a heavy mug dropped on a baby could cause serious damage. If anything, you're under-reacting to his actions.

This. You’re not overreacting, I would have moved quicker, to be honest - and I did. I took DS off PIL when they had hot drinks. They saw nothing wrong in passing hot drinks over baby - I see a lot wrong. I don’t drink hot drinks and it would never be an issue at nursery - it’s one of those things that is a danger in DGPs’ homes.

It sounds as though something is wrong with him. You need to raise it with your DM, and stop the overnights and limit the visits.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 30/08/2024 20:31

I would stop staying over at their house - you have your own home and there is no need. Your father may have a bit of brain damage, or he may just be an old fashioned geezer who doesn't like being corrected by his slightly hyper vigilant daughter, or both these things may be true.

What is definitely true is that adult offspring are better off in their own space, where they can do things differently from their parents without any need to butt heads.

Porridgeislife · 30/08/2024 20:36

Vascular dementia is a fairly common development after a stroke - my Dad had one and I remember reading that maybe 1/3 of people will develop it within 6 months of the stroke. It sounds like your Dad is experiencing some kind of cognitive decline so it might be worth asking your mum if she’s noticing any changes.

YANBU about the tea however; a 15 minute old cup of tea can still scald a baby very badly.

SantasRubiksCube · 30/08/2024 20:39

I agree it sounds as though he may be going through some health issues that could be causing this behaviour, maybe you staying there with a young baby is abit too stressful for him to deal with and id cut that out, keeping it to visits only. For what it's worth you don't sound overly anxious about the baby to me, yes being a first time mum you worry about things but stuff like your dad nearly dropping the baby or forgetting to apply the brakes on the buggy while next to the road is no small thing, they are things where your baby could get seriously hurt so that would concern me.

DopeyS · 30/08/2024 21:02

Was it a full stroke or one of the small ones, a TIA? My grandad had small strokes and it wasn't noticed but it was realised afterwards that he'd had falls and fallen off his bike and these were likely caused by the mini strokes. It could be possible that this was why he fell off the ladder. It's difficult because my grandad also had dementia and would go missing and we didn't realise and my grandmother felt it was her job to care for him and didn't like to bother people. It's likely that your mum does notice but may be in denial. The problem is it's difficult to raise it as he obviously doesn't realise there's anything wrong and I'm assuming would be resistant to a GP visit.

It's very difficult as avoiding going round so much would protect you because it must be hard and stressful but at the same time obviously you don't want to stop seeing your parents. I think maybe trying to broach the subject with your mum and say you're worried about him. Sorry I don't have any better advice.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2024 21:07

This sounds like my MIL. It unfortunately turned out she was experiencing symptoms from cancer. It had cognitive implications. I think your Dad needs t be checked out again.

Sorry Flowers

Gowlett · 30/08/2024 21:12

My dad carries on like this. He’a always losing it with my mum. Shouting over nothing. Doesn’t care much for my opinions, either! I think it’s a Grumpy Old Man thing… But I do worry it might be more, as well. He gets upset so easily.

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