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To be worried about my DS 7?

15 replies

Veryoldandtired · 29/08/2024 22:11

posting here for traffic. My take is that he has an anxiety disorder.
My DS needs to touch things in symmetrical way (if right hand touched it, left hand needs to touch it too). He does funny sounds sometimes or blinking thing. He repeats himself until I reply the way he needs me to. He needs a wee 10 times before he leaves the house. He is a sleepwalker. He is worried about anything and everything. His latest thing is mosquitos.
I can’t stop blaming myself. Am I too harsh on him? Should I have had more vitamins when I was pregnant? Is it something that we need to seek medical advice for?

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JackGrealishsCalves · 29/08/2024 22:13

Sounds like a form of OCD. It's nothing to do with vitamins in pregnancy but please to see your GP first to get a referral

Lammveg · 29/08/2024 22:20

You really need to get some help with this OP. How long has it been going on? Has something happened that has triggered it?

It sounds like OCD/anxiety with OCD like presentation.

Mental health is complex but is very unlikely to be related to the vitamins you had in pregnancy.

Veryoldandtired · 29/08/2024 22:26

@Lammveg i feel like he’s always been a very sensitive child but it all got worse since he started nursery and we had to do ‘that’ drop off. You know, the one when the nursery worker has to peel your child off you because they won’t let you go otherwise?

sigh… I asked him if he’s ok to talk to the doctor about it but he won’t have any of it.

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melisma · 29/08/2024 22:53

Sympathies OP, this sounds worrying for you. Does your DS articulate worrying about something specifically bad happening (the obsession/O of OCD) if he doesn't perform these actions (the compulsion/C of OCD), or is it more that it just "feels right" to him to do these things (aside from the worries that you've already said he experiences).If the latter, I wonder if you have considered whether autism might be a possibility for him, if perhaps there are any other signs that might align with this diagnosis?

Good luck - I hope you're both able to get the support you need.

IntrepidCat · 29/08/2024 23:05

I would speak to the senco at his school because autism is also something I would be considering.

Lammveg · 30/08/2024 04:57

Veryoldandtired · 29/08/2024 22:26

@Lammveg i feel like he’s always been a very sensitive child but it all got worse since he started nursery and we had to do ‘that’ drop off. You know, the one when the nursery worker has to peel your child off you because they won’t let you go otherwise?

sigh… I asked him if he’s ok to talk to the doctor about it but he won’t have any of it.

You'll just have to tell him that you're the parent and he needs to go.

Jellycatspyjamas · 30/08/2024 07:43

At 7 he doesn't get to choose his own health care, I'd take him to the GP and explain what you're seeing in him. Apart from anything else it's too much responsibility for him to make that kind of choice, which can lead to anxiety in children. It might be OCD, it might be an indication of neurodiversity, it might be habits he's got into but you won't know what's really going on without assessment.

Veryoldandtired · 30/08/2024 08:25

I don’t really trust GPs who can’t seem to diagnose even a cold without google. And I don’t want to reinforce that something is wrong with my son. Or being passed around. Had too many bad experiences with everything else.
I will however pay for him to chat to a good child psychologist I think.
Doubt school will do anything. He’s ‘above average’ on all topics, has plenty of friends and is very involved during lessons etc. He’s just different at home.

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TheWayTheLightFalls · 30/08/2024 08:31

What others said. I’d also think about autism - some of the things you describe can be stims, or attempts to regulate anxiety linked to overstimulation. This was me as a child.

Veryoldandtired · 30/08/2024 19:41

To be honest I haven’t thought about autism. I will definitely do my research now. Thanks so much to everyone for replying 🙏

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GarageBand · 30/08/2024 19:51

I’ll second/third/whatever where at the suggestion that he is likely autistic with high anxiety that results in OCD behaviours. The nursery drop off sounds like an exact replica of what we went through.

Do any of the following seem like him? It’s from the NICE guidelines for the diagnosis of autism in children. If there is autism in your family (even if no-one has been diagnosed) some of the things he does may seem standard to you, when they aren’t standard for an non-autistic child.

Also speak to his teacher. They won’t necessarily bring up that they thing he is autistic if he’s coping or appearing to cope in school. The teacher may not have enough experience with autistic children though, so if they haven’t noticed anything don’t write off the idea.

Ask to have a phone conversation or an appointment with the GP without your DS there. My son was referred without ever seeing the GP.

Box 3 Features suggesting possible autism in primary school children (aged 5 to 11 years or equivalent mental age)Social interaction and reciprocal communication behaviours
Spoken language
Spoken language may be unusual in several ways:

very limited use
monotonous tone
repetitive speech, frequent use of stereotyped (learnt) phrases, content dominated by excessive information on topics of own interest
talking 'at' others rather than sharing a two-way conversation
responses to others can seem rude or inappropriate.

Responding to others
Reduced or absent response to other people's facial expression or feelings.
Reduced or delayed response to name being called, despite normal hearing.
Subtle difficulties in understanding other's intentions; may take things literally and misunderstand sarcasm or metaphor.
Unusually negative response to the requests of others (demand avoidant behaviour).
Interacting with others
Reduced or absent awareness of personal space, or unusually intolerant of people entering their personal space.
Reduced or absent social interest in people, including children of his/her own age – may reject others; if interested in others, may approach others inappropriately, seeming to be aggressive or disruptive.
Reduced or absent greeting and farewell behaviours.
Reduced or absent awareness of socially expected behaviour.
Reduced or absent ability to share in the social play or ideas of others, plays alone.
Unable to adapt style of communication to social situations, for example may be overly formal or inappropriately familiar.
Reduced or absent enjoyment of situations that most children like.
Eye contact, pointing and other gestures
Reduced and poorly integrated gestures, facial expressions and body orientation, eye contact (looking at people's eyes when speaking) and speech used in social communication.
Reduced or absent social use of eye contact, assuming adequate vision.
Reduced or absent joint attention shown by lack of:

gaze switching
following a point (looking where the other person points to – may look at hand)
using pointing at or showing objects to share interest.

Ideas and imagination
Reduced or absent flexible imaginative play or creativity, although scenes seen on visual media (for example, television) may be re-enacted.
Makes comments without awareness of social niceties or hierarchies.
Unusual or restricted interests and/or rigid and repetitive behaviours
Repetitive 'stereotypical' movements such as hand flapping, body rocking while standing, spinning, finger flicking.
Play repetitive and oriented towards objects rather than people.
Over-focused or unusual interests.
Rigid expectation that other children should adhere to rules of play.
Excessive insistence on following own agenda.
Extremes of emotional reactivity that are excessive for the circumstances.
Strong preferences for familiar routines and things being 'just right'.
Dislike of change, which often leads to anxiety or other forms of distress (including aggression).
Over or under reaction to sensory stimuli, for example textures, sounds, smells.
Excessive reaction to taste, smell, texture or appearance of food or extreme food fads.
Other factors that may support a concern about autism
Unusual profile of skills or deficits (for example, social or motor coordination skills poorly developed, while particular areas of knowledge, reading or vocabulary skills are advanced for chronological or mental age).
Social and emotional development more immature than other areas of development, excessive trusting (naivety), lack of common sense, less independent than peers.

IntrepidCat · 30/08/2024 20:14

He’s ‘above average’ on all topics, has plenty of friends and is very involved during lessons etc. He’s just different at home.

These are actually quite often typical signs of an autistic child who masks.

Aquamarine1029 · 30/08/2024 20:18

sigh… I asked him if he’s ok to talk to the doctor about it but he won’t have any of it.

Your son is 7. You don't ask a child if they will talk to a doctor, you just bring him to one. I highly suggest you do, as soon as you can because it's clear your son needs help. Go privately if possible.

WhyDoesItAlways · 30/08/2024 20:28

My son is autistic and the things I see in common with your post are the blinking, making noises and sleepwalking. All of these happen when he is more anxious. The blinking when having to talk to people he doesn't know very well, vocal tic more in the evenings after school and the sleepwalking is rare but usually at beginning and end of term.

Is there any pattern to when your son does these?

My son is also slightly above average in mainstream school and has some good friends but is definitely not a social butterfly. We have days where he has to be peeled off me at school drop off which is getting worse as he gets older.

MollyButton · 30/08/2024 20:30

My first thought was OCD with possible ASD.
First step is to see a GP. If you don't trust yours then either see one you do trust at your practice. Or change GP, especially as you may well need to see quite a bit of your GP over the years.

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