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To ask what you'll be doing to avoid the Labour tax hikes

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OptimismvsRealism · 27/08/2024 11:20

Pension contributions
Gift aid
Selling my shares now while CGT is relatively low

What really worries me is that all the professionals we actually need to want to be here will just fuck off elsewhere, though.

It's not like we're knee deep in hospital doctors.

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Tiredalwaystired · 27/08/2024 20:28

Lemonadeand · 27/08/2024 13:56

I would guess that private healthcare but state education is quite an unusual combination? Would guess there are more people who stretch to put their kids in private school then use the NHS. Could be wrong, though!

I’m one of these.

only started paying into private healthcare after a recent health condition kept me out of work for several months. Can’t afford for that to happen again (with something else) so it was literally an insurance for family survival. Would much much rather reinvest that money in to wider healthcare than an insurance co.

Ridiculousme · 27/08/2024 20:30

I’m ok with less footballers, less reality TV/Soap stars and inherited wealth that do fuck all heading out.

Trickle down doesn’t work and it speaks volumes if the super rich are happy to be here while they milk it, but threaten buggering off if asked to pay a proportionately fair amount.

Papyrophile · 27/08/2024 20:33

We used to pay for private healthcare until the year after we used it the premiums soared and the cover was restricted. So we saved the premiums into a company health care fund instead.

Papyrophile · 27/08/2024 20:36

Ridiculousme · 27/08/2024 20:30

I’m ok with less footballers, less reality TV/Soap stars and inherited wealth that do fuck all heading out.

Trickle down doesn’t work and it speaks volumes if the super rich are happy to be here while they milk it, but threaten buggering off if asked to pay a proportionately fair amount.

I am 50/50 on this point. There are a few retirement to Europe options remaining open that are attractive, but more for the warmer weather than the financial aspects.

Xenia · 27/08/2024 20:38

Depends what the tax changes are. As they are not going to increase the rates 20%, 40%, 45% of income tax nor of NI nor corporation tax and I don't pay into nor have a pension nor many savings it would only be a garden tax on London homes that would be an issue and that is a very big worry of course.

Xenia · 27/08/2024 20:40

If they abolish the single person tax allowance for all for example as it has already gone from higher earners that would not break their election promise. I am not affected by CGT and for IHT I will be dead. If somehow my income tax goes up too high I will work less as given my life stage that is possible - ie it would achieve the opposite of improving productivity.

80smonster · 27/08/2024 20:43

user68712226 · 27/08/2024 19:12

absolutely. Many people in the UK already pay for schooling and health care so those things are not a deterrent.

Precisely, many high earners pay twice for schooling and healthcare. Once as general contribution and then privately for their families, to ensure access and quality of these services. For these people, emigrating may well be the best outcome available to them.

SunnyWavess · 27/08/2024 20:43

MidnightPatrol · 27/08/2024 17:55

Those earning £100k already pay a 60% rate - so this would seem a very odd place to introduce a new tax band.

Those on a salary of £100k don’t pay 60%, they pay 40% tax. Those on over £125k pay 45%.

Putting · 27/08/2024 20:47

SunnyWavess · 27/08/2024 20:43

Those on a salary of £100k don’t pay 60%, they pay 40% tax. Those on over £125k pay 45%.

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They start to lose their personal allowance at £100k, so the effective tax rate on that bit of income is >60%

Papyrophile · 27/08/2024 20:51

We will watch and wait to see how the new government plays it, with a degree of confidence that if they should tip the balance too far against us, then we would be desirable tax-paying migrants elsewhere. Possibly not with a tax favoured status, but lower living costs and nicer weather have a pull factor.

nearlylovemyusername · 27/08/2024 20:53

@SensibleSigma

I'd suspect your DM is trying to save everything to leave it to her kids incl you. Not sure why you're so bitter, but I very much expect Labour to help themselves to a significant proportion of your inheritance

80smonster · 27/08/2024 20:55

Ridiculousme · 27/08/2024 20:30

I’m ok with less footballers, less reality TV/Soap stars and inherited wealth that do fuck all heading out.

Trickle down doesn’t work and it speaks volumes if the super rich are happy to be here while they milk it, but threaten buggering off if asked to pay a proportionately fair amount.

I think you mean fewer. Whatever gave you the impression that reality TV stars or presenters are particularly wealthy? Those who inherit wealth generally reinvest it, buying houses and creating businesses, which in turn makes more jobs. Footballers I’m sure make a sizeable tax contribution, but the real flight risks will be in relatively faceless global finance and corporate roles, who will have been propping up UK service's for most of their careers. To think society would be better off without them, without a revenue stream to replace their contribution- is ideological nonsense.

Papyrophile · 27/08/2024 20:57

No understanding of the motivations or the thinking, but yes, I am sure the new government will target and limit inheritances. So give it as early as possible to beat the seven year survival rule.

OnceUponATimeInTheWest · 27/08/2024 21:02

We should do what the US does and tax British citizens regardless of whether they actually live here or not. If people want to move abroad then fine, but they can either still pay a certain amount of tax or they can give up their citizenship and any chance of ever returning if it turns out the grass isn’t actually greener.

MidnightPatrol · 27/08/2024 21:02

SunnyWavess · 27/08/2024 20:43

Those on a salary of £100k don’t pay 60%, they pay 40% tax. Those on over £125k pay 45%.

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Incorrect.

Your personal allowance is removed from £100k which means a rate of 60% from £100-125k.

Papyrophile · 27/08/2024 21:20

And @MidnightPatrol that hits hardest at the career point where people are most lifely to have global career options. My nephew is a case in point. He's earning £150k tax free in the Middle East. His wife (Australian) has just been head hunted for a senior role in Sydney. They would prefer to live in London but his employers won't match his ME salary or pay him enough salary in the UK to compensate for the tax he'd pay, although he is one of the top rainmakers for them globally, so he will go to Australia for long enough to get the passport. He's spent his whole life as an expatriate from age 5. He doesn't really have national loyalties. He's lived in 15 countries since he was five years old.

SunnyWavess · 27/08/2024 21:21

MidnightPatrol · 27/08/2024 21:02

Incorrect.

Your personal allowance is removed from £100k which means a rate of 60% from £100-125k.

Apologies, I stand corrected. 60% is whack and £100k won’t go that far in the south.

MidnightPatrol · 27/08/2024 21:26

@SunnyWavess it can actually be even more extreme if you have children.

Two in nursery and you’ll be no better off earning £140k vs. £99.9k. A 100% tax rate.

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Papyrophile · 27/08/2024 21:30

@Rigatone you may be willing to chip in, but your tuppence doesn't butter many parsnips.

DodoTired · 27/08/2024 21:33

Araminta1003 · 27/08/2024 19:07

If you want to leave I hear Ireland and Switzerland are a good bet. Switzerland has very clean streets and lots of police. And the trains definitely work.

Don’t know about Ireland but Switzerland doesn’t really have much lower taxes (although it depends on the canton) and everything is very expensive. So it’s not quite that of a money saving move.
Although of course there are other benefits and elements of lifestyle that may appeal. And their state schools are excellent. I keep dreaming of moving there for few years because of skiing and have lots of friends who have moved.

Lms63738 · 27/08/2024 21:34

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WomensRightsRenegade · 27/08/2024 21:39

Smartiepants79 · 27/08/2024 12:25

This is another one of these mumsnet conversations that I end up feeling like I’m in a parallel universe.
All these paragons who are apparently so happy to pay out more of their earnings!
I know a lot of people from a lot of different walks of life and none of them would say they are happy to pay more tax.
They all will do it. None of them have off shore bank accounts or are planning a move to a tax haven but they’re not happy about it!
It’s amazing how wonderful and moral you can be when no one is actually watching to see if you follow through.

Nowhere does virtue-signalling like mumsnet virtue-signalling. If anyone was really that desperate to pay more tax there have always been ways to make extra payments to the Inland Revenue

Papyrophile · 27/08/2024 21:39

But you only have to sample MN to know that moving your kids from their friends is the cruellest act. Kids make new friends quickly but parents don't.

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