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To ask what you'll be doing to avoid the Labour tax hikes

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OptimismvsRealism · 27/08/2024 11:20

Pension contributions
Gift aid
Selling my shares now while CGT is relatively low

What really worries me is that all the professionals we actually need to want to be here will just fuck off elsewhere, though.

It's not like we're knee deep in hospital doctors.

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Namechange8463 · 27/08/2024 17:09

Bunnygirl1902 · 27/08/2024 12:55

It wouldn't be bad if the extra money was going towards services like the NHS, road quality, etc, but when you read threads like that one last week of a woman spending 6k of her universal credit on holidays each year, it would get up anyone's nose. Working so that someone else doesn't have to is sickening.

Yes, exactly. One of the big problems we have (compared to, for example, the Scandinavian countries that people like to hold up as a beacon of an example!) is that we have so many economically-inactive people. We need more people working and paying taxes (rather than just increasing taxes).

And not only are some of the economically-inactive not contributing, but they are taking, making the situation even worse.

ZeldaFighter · 27/08/2024 17:10

This is what people voted for - I won't be selling my shares and worrying about CGT? because I don't have any. But I would like to see rich people paying their fair share to keep the lights on, the roads paved, the ambulances running, the fire brigade coming out, the prisons and borders secure as well as all the hundreds of things a civilised country does.

People don't leave because of higher taxes. There's plenty of people enjoying life in Scandinavia. That's a lie told by rich people in the West to scare us into not taxing them.

Bring it on. Let's invest in Britain and it's people again!

GoldOnyx · 27/08/2024 17:11

user68712226 · 27/08/2024 16:58

The figure being mooted is 0.48% pf a property's value per year. And this would apply even though everyone who currently owns a home already paid stamp duty when purchasing.

That's a truly massive amount for people to find. It would have an enormous impact on the housing market

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Where did you get that from? Can you post a link to that?

nearlylovemyusername · 27/08/2024 17:13

Namechange8463 · 27/08/2024 17:09

Yes, exactly. One of the big problems we have (compared to, for example, the Scandinavian countries that people like to hold up as a beacon of an example!) is that we have so many economically-inactive people. We need more people working and paying taxes (rather than just increasing taxes).

And not only are some of the economically-inactive not contributing, but they are taking, making the situation even worse.

bth, there is no IHT in Scandi and yes, they are taxed heavier, but at the bottom end. Higher earners are taxed the same as here

MrsPuddle · 27/08/2024 17:15

nearlylovemyusername · 27/08/2024 17:04

Op, to answer your question - I'm similar to @newusername2009

I can't avoid taxes, but I'm changing my behavior.

Labour screwed my DC with VAT on school fees, I had to move them from their perfect fit school.
No way I'm going to continue working to pay even more tax. I'm reducing my hours drastically with almost everything going to pension now (I'm mid 50s).

I'm certain Labour will raid pensions now so will retire by Christmas. Have a few options planned when I see the budget as to what to do with assets /IHT.

Anecdotally - every single one of my colleagues/friends in over 50 bracket reduce their hours to stay under threshold, be it 50k or 100k. We joke here that every annual pay increase means increase of part timers.

I dont understand. how does reducing your hours mean you have more money? and whats with the £50k £100k brackets. if you are a doctor I understood that you got more pension allowance recently so not such an issue. if you arent, what am I missing here?

AllesAusLiebe · 27/08/2024 17:16

I came here looking for suggestions of tax loopholes. 'Move to the UAE' wasn't really on my radar. 😂

Seriously, I'm originally from a country that taxes you for fun. The difference is, back home I'm never waiting in the emergency room for 9+ hours, school was well-organised and public transport ran (mostly) on time - although that is not the case nowadays.

Most people don't mind tax if it's viewed as fair (it certainly isn't over here), and if things work efficiently. Spoiler alert : they never will.

Usercyzabc · 27/08/2024 17:17

ZeldaFighter · 27/08/2024 17:10

This is what people voted for - I won't be selling my shares and worrying about CGT? because I don't have any. But I would like to see rich people paying their fair share to keep the lights on, the roads paved, the ambulances running, the fire brigade coming out, the prisons and borders secure as well as all the hundreds of things a civilised country does.

People don't leave because of higher taxes. There's plenty of people enjoying life in Scandinavia. That's a lie told by rich people in the West to scare us into not taxing them.

Bring it on. Let's invest in Britain and it's people again!

Huh? You make it sound as though the taxpayer have a say in what taxes are spent on…

Tryingtokeepgoing · 27/08/2024 17:17

MillyMollyMandHey · 27/08/2024 17:08

I am not sure where all these high earners will bugger off to given we can no longer live and work in Europe.

As PP said, if you work in a large organsation like an IB, your work can sponsor your visa, and this is a normal, ongoing practice. I’ve never heard of anyone moving internationally with work to have visa issues.

Well indeed; the ignorance around how easy it is to still live and work in Europe is staggering. You don’t need that much of an income, or have one of many many skills, to easily be welcome in most EU countries. Assuming of course that you speak the language. Which seems reasonable to me.

user68712226 · 27/08/2024 17:19

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/home-not-safe-labour-prepare-185800429.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADzx4PcUmfeLYmX2PItggQ3QRwUVUJev9QC67rQSJZIvA3GrE3xTxSggrAdzeyLUAc1DgMZzXiQVy_Tm_Oh_ZEVO82umqtuihdqDrITWYngyHdURKcpgjfHvS7wj1QEZShTHGIdx-qXXX9CoyfTd47MphghkXD6j0SZGzZQb-Ox-]]

This is a telegraph article which sets out the full set of rates being mooted

0.44 per cent levy on homes worth up to £500,000, with a minimum payment. 0.54 per cent annual tax on homes worth above £500,000, with an extra 0.28 per cent supplement on values over £1 million.

Labour may be plotting a devastating plan to make millions tax prisoners in their own homes

This is the point of maximum danger for anybody who owns property in Britain. The Labour government is desperate for cash, and will never be as powerful as it is today. Rachel Reeves is expected to raise inheritance and capital gains taxes, but she is...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/home-not-safe-labour-prepare-185800429.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADzx4PcUmfeLYmX2PItggQ3QRwUVUJev9QC67rQSJZIvA3GrE3xTxSggrAdzeyLUAc1DgMZzXiQVy_Tm_Oh_ZEVO82umqtuihdqDrITWYngyHdURKcpgjfHvS7wj1QEZShTHGIdx-qXXX9CoyfTd47MphghkXD6j0SZGzZQb-Ox-%5D%5D

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 17:21

I do not trust what the Telegraph says. But if this did happen, I would have to sell up.

user68712226 · 27/08/2024 17:22

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 17:21

I do not trust what the Telegraph says. But if this did happen, I would have to sell up.

Neither do I but this isn't just being reported in the telegraph.

We would also have to sell

user68712226 · 27/08/2024 17:23

But prices would also crash

iwishihadknownmore · 27/08/2024 17:23

nearlylovemyusername · 27/08/2024 17:13

bth, there is no IHT in Scandi and yes, they are taxed heavier, but at the bottom end. Higher earners are taxed the same as here

Sweden's tax rates are quite a bit higher than the UKs, VAT is 25% and higher rate is 53% (uk 45%) but they don't wait 18hrs in AE, don't need private schools, don't need expensive repairs following pot hole damage, don't need private healthcare and don't have to fork out 1000s for dental care.

Lower taxes come with other much more expensive costs.

GoldOnyx · 27/08/2024 17:23

Thanks. The whole thing is being pushed by a campaign group and there’s no suggestion whatsoever in the article that the government is seriously considering it. Nice try though!

NotSoHotMess24 · 27/08/2024 17:24

"WAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!"

My toddler felt like this earlier, too. You're not alone OP.

Formerpupil · 27/08/2024 17:25

OptimismvsRealism · 27/08/2024 11:27

Scotland already provides the evidence with it's higher tax and massive retention problem.

Scotland’s “retention problem” existed long before the powers to vary income tax were exercised though. There’s less opportunity/ no opportunities in certain fields (I work for an accountancy firm, my team takes 1 graduate a year, our London team take 20-25). If you want to experience life in a city bigger than Glasgow, you need to move.

There was a lot of noise on LinkedIn about the latest Scottish budget meaning all our talent will move south, mostly by tax professionals looking to sell advisory services.

bergamotorange · 27/08/2024 17:25

GoldOnyx · 27/08/2024 17:23

Thanks. The whole thing is being pushed by a campaign group and there’s no suggestion whatsoever in the article that the government is seriously considering it. Nice try though!

So hard to understand why the torygraph Telegraph is talking constantly about hypothetical Labour policies.

GoldOnyx · 27/08/2024 17:26

bergamotorange · 27/08/2024 17:25

So hard to understand why the torygraph Telegraph is talking constantly about hypothetical Labour policies.

Ikr 😂😂

Anonym00se · 27/08/2024 17:27

Nadeed · 27/08/2024 17:21

I do not trust what the Telegraph says. But if this did happen, I would have to sell up.

It says it will replace council tax. 0.54% of the value of my house is exactly what I pay in council tax currently.

bergamotorange · 27/08/2024 17:27

user68712226 · 27/08/2024 17:22

Neither do I but this isn't just being reported in the telegraph.

We would also have to sell

If you read the hypothetical suggestion, surely you'd be better off not selling?

To ease the transition, the group has suggested capping the additional cost for wealthier households until they move, at which point they would benefit from paying no stamp duty.

BibbityBobbityToo · 27/08/2024 17:28

Our Reform voter is back, same Labour bashing different day......Yawn

iwishihadknownmore · 27/08/2024 17:28

Council Tax has to go, millions can no longer afford the annual 5% increase, so a land tax replacing CT might be a good thing.

Why should someone in a 3m mansion pay just 2.5x more CT then someone in a 300k band D house

bergamotorange · 27/08/2024 17:29

Anonym00se · 27/08/2024 17:27

It says it will replace council tax. 0.54% of the value of my house is exactly what I pay in council tax currently.

Please stop spreading calm in this irresponsible way.

This thread is a place for panic only.

drspouse · 27/08/2024 17:29

OptimismvsRealism · 27/08/2024 11:24

Yes. Especially with highly mobile people in medicine. Same is happening in finance which is a problem for the tax based but less so in terms of anyone actually needing an emergency hedge fund manager.

I think you're a bit out of touch with what doctors earn compared to hedge fund managers.
Especially those who are still paying off student loans.

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